Open Letter to Ben Carson From Fellow Seventh-day Adventist: Stop the Islamophobia

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Dr. Ben Carson,

As a clergy-trained fellow Seventh-day Adventist, I urge you to stop singling out Islam and Muslims. This upcoming weekend there are anti-Muslim rallies planned across the country—some of them calling for armed protesters—fueled by the anti-Muslim rhetoric you are helping advance in mainstream America. You are profiting in fundraising and in polls off the backs of a marginalized religious minority in our country.

Your singling out of a marginalized faith community is ironic, perhaps hypocritical, on many levels. As a lifelong Seventh-day Adventist, I am well aware (and assume you are, too) of the fears held by many in our community of the possibility of persecution for beliefs that differ from mainstream Christianity, such as a Saturday Sabbath. Holding membership in what many view as a small, fringe faith community, it is surprising that you are giving voice to religious discrimination.

Recently, when talking about “American values,” you raised concerns over Islam pertaining to discrimination of women, LGBTQ people, and subjugation of those with different religious beliefs. As a presidential candidate with a public platform it’s puzzling that, in addition to calling out a marginalized religious community, you would be singling these issues out in another faith group and failing to call out discrimination within your own.

Let’s take a closer look at these issues in Seventh-day Adventism.

Church leadership recently changed its “Marriage and Family” Fundamental Belief from the language of “partners” to specifying “a man and a woman” when speaking about marriage. Such discriminatory language counters the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage from earlier this year, requiring that same-sex couples be allowed to marry anywhere in the country. Given your expressed concerns about this issue it seems like you might have similar concerns about faith-based discrimination from fellow Christians. You didn’t sound concerned over whether government employee Kim Davis’s religion was “consistent with the Constitution” when she was defying the Supreme Court by denying marriage licenses to gay couples. I would expect this kind of consistency from someone who prides himself on making choices based on values rather than political expediency.

Earlier this year, our Seventh-day Adventist church leadership once again voted against the ordination of female clergy. Without ordination, female pastors can’t lead out in regional conferences or establish churches. This stained-glass ceiling and other forms of faith-based gender discrimination run counter to American values of equality and opportunity for all.

Or perhaps your statement of concern about Islam reflects a change of heart from your previous comments about women and LGBTQ people. If that is true, I invite you to join the growing chorus of Seventh-day Adventists denouncing the moral authority of Adventist church leadership as a result of its choices to perpetuate discrimination against women and LGBTQ people.

In my current role as director of the interfaith Community Organizing Residency at Bend the Arc, I have the privilege of knowing many Muslims who are working in the non-profit sector on issues such as healthcare access, housing affordability, and public education, throughout our country. We would all be fortunate to have any one of these Americans run for president one day.

Your anti-Muslim rhetoric is not only ironic, but also immoral. I can assure you that it is not in line with our faith tradition. Our sacred texts call us to love our neighbor as ourselves—this includes our Muslim neighbor. I implore you to be a better representative of our faith community. You could start this weekend by visiting a local mosque and engaging in peaceful dialogue with our Muslim brothers and sisters.

If you want to fight faith-based discrimination, start within our own Seventh-day Adventist faith community, not with our Muslim neighbors whom we’re called to love. As a presidential candidate you are not responsible for every individual’s words and actions toward Muslims, but you are responsible for your words and actions that set a tone for conversations and actions across our country.

305 Comments

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    In case you don’t quite understand the situation, Ben Carson is running for the Republican nomination, not running in a general election.

  • spammunch@gmail.com' VicqRuiz says:

    you would be singling these issues out in another faith group and failing to call out discrimination within your own.

    Yes, because telling someone they can’t buy a wedding cake at a particular bakery is exactly like pushing them off the roof of a twelve-story building.

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    And where do you see anyone in America being pushed off?

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    If ISIS commits a heinous act, it does not automatically mean it is in line with Islamic teaching. In fact if ISIS does something, chances are it is anti Islam

  • emilyk04@gmail.com' Fired, Aren't I says:

    Is it similar to the Russian Orthodox Christians who kidnap people, torture them, then upload recordings of their deeds to the internet without punishment from the government?

  • rwandaboy@hotmail.com' Mike Hatcher says:

    It might not be worth it to you for me to explain. And let me preface this with noting that I have not investigated or sourced any of this. But VicqRuiz seems to be referring to reports that somewhere in the Middle East, Homosexuals are being thrown to their deaths. Is your counter point that as long as it isn’t happening in the USA it is irrelevant? I’m not accusing you of that, just trying to understand your comment.

  • emilyk04@gmail.com' Fired, Aren't I says:

    How do you explain what’s happening to gays in Russia, which is re-embracing hard-line Orthodox Christianity with alarming zeal? One would think the country were secretly headed by Muslims.

  • emilyk04@gmail.com' Fired, Aren't I says:

    I won’t speak for “and_then,” but I believe their point is that cultural context is needed. Comparing the climate that created ISIS to that of a nation that (although flawed) was founded upon principles of liberty and human rights is ridiculous and unhelpful.

    It’s not that it “doesn’t matter that’ it’s happening,” but rather it’s clearly a cheap ploy used to compare the worst of one system to the best of another. If apples are to be compared to apples, one would need to compare American Christians to American Muslims, even conservative American Christians to conservative American Muslims. Not ISIS soldiers to American Christian bakers.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Mr. B;lake: I beg to disagree with this article. I note that you are clergy trained, does that mean that you studied at seminars whee ther were islamic Studies programs that may have left your brain washed out, devoid of common sense and any understanding of Islamic history and motives vis-a-vis filthy despised ones (Infidels) such as you?

    I stand with Dr. Carson who has so much more common sense and understanding than you do.

  • userzero@gmail.com' Chudster says:

    And what do you know so much any Islam from a deeper thoughts perspective?

  • dougsher1991@yahoo.com' Douglas Elsey says:

    Don’t believe for a minute that this man speaks for all Seventh-day Adventist ministers. I have served the Seventh-day Adventist Church as a minister for 24 years and I stand with Dr. Ben Carlson. He has my support and my vote.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    As an American Diplomat, I lived in Moslem dominated countries for over a decade. I came to know and understand Islam thoroughly, far better than most people. Among other things, I worked in counter-Intelligence and Counter-Terrorism. I have had friends who have been murdered by Moslems. I have received several threats from Moslems, including death threats. Moslems have attacked and tried to kill me. I’m still here. I am aware of Islam’s agenda – Mohammed’s agenda, and you need to understand that anyone who is so willfully ignorant that they deny this is, in my book lower than a fool.

    We’ve had a Moslem in the White House for seven years, and he has brought incalculable damage on America that many have yet to see or to recognize.

    Ben Carson is like me. He is not an Islamophobe, He is Islam-Aware.

    Take a look at three books that I have on amazon: EXPERIENCING ISLAM, MOSLEM MEN FEAR WOMEN, and ISLAM IN THE WORKPLACE. You may come to understand Islam better.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Muhammed: You takiyya! ISIS is doing a very good job of following the teachings of Mohammed. Torture, child rape, slaving, female genital mutilation, theft by confiscation, raping women, raping little boys, murder by any means imaginable, This is being perfect Moslems, emulating Mohammed in every way.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Gays have been a part of civilization ever since we lost our tails. They will continue to survive, and even thrive.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    You’re trying hard, bub. Russians don’t hold a candle stub to ISIS and Islam.

  • userzero@gmail.com' Chudster says:

    Who is the Muslim in the White House? I’m pass on the books. My experience with Islam – during and after seminary – has been positive.

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    So it happened in ISIS territory. Are you naive enough to believe that ISIS represents Islam because if 30 thousand ISIS men can do this, then there are 1.2 billion Muslims. His ignorance implied and compared every single Muslim to ISIS. Can you highlight his ignorance too or is this also your belief?

  • kaidenm@gmail.co.uk' kamal says:

    My mother always taught me beware of the one who always pulls you down, because they want you to be like them. This is what is happening with islam, the point this article makes is true in that focus on your own faith, mosques are full every Friday all across the world in uk and Europe they cannot build enough we don’t have a problem, go to any church on a Sunday lucky if its half full average age above 60 go see any mosque on a Friday it’s full, full of the youth so focus on the bible become stead fast in your own faith all this hate makes Muslims even more stronger in their faith, I knever

  • kaidenm@gmail.co.uk' kamal says:

    Look deep into the bible, and someone raised a question of the beloved prophet, realize the times when Mary peace be upon her married Joseph she was almost 12 and he was over 90 years of age, however we do not frown upon that? Please realize the context the times and the situation. And this Carson fellow is funny how can Muslims have different brains? So the billions that revert back to islam each year also under go a transformation of the brain? Ludicrous

  • kaidenm@gmail.co.uk' kamal says:

    Lets turn of the porn and turn up to the church, and follow the teachings of the beloved prophet Jesus, help the poor and neady and become strong in our own faiths before we look to others. And ask god to lead us to the correct path….. Have a good weekend I hope I didn’t offend anyone not my intention humble regards

  • goetten@gmail.com' goetten says:

    There is no Islamophobia whatsoever! Dr. Ben Carson only said that he wouldn’t support a muslim for president, because they usually have Sharia Law above everything else, even above our constitution. And I have to say that Sharia Law is already happening here in the US:

    Muslims saying that they prefer Sharia Law over our constitution:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfmywzjdtRM

    Sharia Law in Seattle:
    http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2015/07/seattle-mayor-offers-plan-to-help-followers-of.html

    Muslims saying “fuck the law” in England:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdHaOFnnSGg&app=desktop

  • emilyk04@gmail.com' Fired, Aren't I says:

    But I thought only Islam caused such horrific treatment of gays.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    That’s because Europeans have stopped having so many kids due to tons of legit reasons while it’s been the opposite for Muslims. There are also quite a bit of Muslims who have immigrated to Europe because the Muslim country they lived it was oppressive/violent (most of which is cause by Muslim on Muslim violence). It’s also very obvious you are a Muslim and using their talking points to defend Islam.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Have you not seen the way gay people are treated in Muslim dominated countries? Captial punishment for being gay is still legal in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, Mauritania, Sudan,northern Nigeria and in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) it’s punishable by corporal/capital punishment depending on the area.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    It’s crazy how members of the left will defend something they highly disagree with just because it has to do with Islam. I’m guessing the guy who wrote this letter missed the studies showing the % of Muslim who believe in extremist ideas (like stoning women for adultery or killing people who make anti-Islam statements/art/movies)? I’m guessing this guy also didn’t look into the history of Muhammad, the violent conflicts he was involved in (not all of those were self defense), and some of killings ordered/supported by Muhammad (like the death of that poet for opposing him). To deny that Islam/Muhammad used the sword to spread their religion in it’s early stages is to deny reality. Just look at 2014 – 2015 terrorism charts all over the world and then compare Islamic terrorism vs Christian Terrorism.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    This guy seems to be a social justice warrior 1st and then Christian 2nd. He’s written on for the Huffington Post so it shouldn’t be a shocker this guy holds this view.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Did Muhammad not kill a poet for opposing him? Was Muhammad not involved in violent conflicts (not all of those conflicts were in self defense) while being the prophet of Islam?

  • ashley9876@gmail.com' Ashley says:

    Let’s face the facts: Mohammad bedded several women, including relatives and children, and killed and beheaded plenty of people as well. I don’t think that context-specific excuses could withhold especially for someone “chosen by God,” unless God was on annual leave then. I also forgot the very scientific comments of Mohammad about dogs (angels of God, in my view), who like the other victims of the religion of hate, Jews and Christians, are unclean and they have to suffer in Islamic countries just like the rest of the creatures who are tortured halal-way. Their pain and suffering has to be prolonged for the “kind” and “peaceful” followers of Islam to enjoy a meal. And yes, there are good Muslims, my husband and multiple friends are some of them, but they don’t practice Islam…could this be the reason they are tolerant, charitable and open-minded…

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    If you deny that there is a Moslem in the white house named Barak Hussein Obama, you may be mindlessly ignorant.

    Your very limited experience at the hands of dawa promulgating Imams with their kitman and takiyya at a seminary has apparently closed your mind to reality.

  • wisdomgiselle@gmail.com' gia_katta says:

    Why would you vote for Dr. Carson? He is an awful candidate for the position of the Presidency.

  • wisdomgiselle@gmail.com' gia_katta says:

    I’m a “member of the Left” and I can’t agree with Dr. Ben Carson because he says crazy things in general. His comments on Islam being on the list.

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    And out of 1.2+ billion Muslims, these countries combined for less than 10% of the world Muslim population. Funny how you made up northern Nigeria though. Is that a country? What’s next. You will single out Dearborn as the 51st state?

    Even so, my point still stands. All those countries combined are less than 10%. Saudi Arabia and UAE’s population is actually 70-80% foreigners so you may wanna subtract those out.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    In the end, unless otherwise unanimously elected we only speak for ourselves.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    What I see is an assertion sans proof. And since you give your pedigree as counter Intelligence, I don’t see you as a viable reliable source.

    How can anyone deny what isn’t proven?

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    Any Republican running will have problems with the general election. They have become too partisan, too narrow, too hard core, too homogeneous to appeal to the general heterogeneous population.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    What is crazy about his views on Islam?

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    I suggested three (3) books for you to read to get all of the proof that yo need. Your alternative, of course, is continuing willful ignorance. You have a choice.

    I won’t respond to any further nonsense from people who choose to be ignorant.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    Well the US spreads Christian terroism in Islamic nations. We get Christian terrorism right here, more than Islamic. And terrorism is part of war, a small part and a large part. Invading whole nations is terrorism, yet our Conservative Corporate press doesn’t treat it that way.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    Neither will I and your books aren’t important to me.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    I do have to say It’s scary how the left wing in many 1st world countries have been hijacked by extremist and crazy people. The rational members of the left wing need to take their party back before it’s to late.

  • wisdomgiselle@gmail.com' gia_katta says:

    The left wing has been hijacked by extremists? You’re saying that the party of Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina, and etc., is NOT the party of extremists? You do understand that the GOP and the Right Wing in this country has gone completely off the rails, right?

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    For a minute there I thought you were one of those right wing wacko’s but luckily you’re not. I said north Nigeria because I realize the 2 parts of the country are very different, I don’t believe they have the same punishment for gay people in southern Nigeria, and I don’t want to accuse southern Nigerians for something they don’t seem to be doing. So you are trying to make the argument that Saudi Arabia and UAE governments aren’t dominated by Muslim, the Islamic faith doesn’t have a major impact on their laws, and Muslim’s really don’t hold the majority of the power to pass laws in those countries? Just so you know Islam is the largest/the official state religion of the UAE and the Muslim population of the country is close to 80%. Off the top of my head in SA the religion make up is over 90% Muslim and the population of foreign workers are also predominately Muslim. Nice try

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    I never said they weren’t but the left has been hijacked and for some reason the party now has no problem being giant hypocrites. The left shouldn’t make excuses/cover up for things, polices, and ideas that go against every thing they use to stand for.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Islam makes up less than 1% of the US population and when you take that into account with the amount of terrorism they have committed on US soil it’s pretty sad. Take look at all the planned Islamic terrorism attacks on US soil since 9/11 that the US government has stopped before they could happen ( I think the number is close to 30 but I would have to look it up again). Islam and even their prophet were involved in quite a few violent conflicts since the religion started, just go look at some of deaths Muhammad ordered/supported. There is no reason why any Muslim should commit violence and follow prophet Muhammad’s lead to hurt people because of anti-Islam movies/books/cartoons/free speech.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Don’t for get all those actual violent protest all over the world (even in places like Australia) after that anti-Islam movie came out.

  • petrick67@hotmail.com' Marc Petrick says:

    I agree with Douglas. How dare this man preach love and tolerance!

  • petrick67@hotmail.com' Marc Petrick says:

    Well there goes your credibility. Thanks for playing.

  • petrick67@hotmail.com' Marc Petrick says:

    “Be excellent to each other” Bill & Ted.

  • kaidenm@gmail.co.uk' kamal says:

    Mr Carson has my vote to!! The more pressure you put on a stone the more beautiful of a diamond it becomes. All this talk around the world is making Muslims realise they need to understand and practice Islam and establish the prayer at home and in the work place. I work on the NYSE and knever prayed etc… But after all this I went deep into understanding my faith and pray 5 times a day even on the floor of the exchange so the more Carson’s we have the better Muslims we will become.

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    Again, research how many Muslims are in the world and how many live in Saudi.

    Actually, let me give it to you. 30 million. Saudi Arabia has a population of 30 million which includes millions of expats. World Muslim population is 1.2B. This is about 2.5% of world Muslim population. You are basically painting 97.5% of Muslims with the same brush. Right… nice try.

    Just to give you comparison, in case you still can’t fathom this.
    Pakistan 180 million Muslims.
    India 250 million Muslims.
    Bangladesh has 200 million.
    Indonesia and Malaysia has another 300 million Muslims.

    Rightt….nice try

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Where did I say all Muslims are guilty of anything? This is the problem with people who can’t have an honest debate about Islam.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Also another sad thing is the amount of anti-Jewish hate Islam has helped create/foster since it’s creation. Even before Israel their views on Jewish people have been troublesome to say the least. Also look up all the unsuccessful terrorist attacks on the US since 9/11 and events like Garland, the multiple military shootings by Islamic terrorist, Boston Bombing, 9/11, ect.

  • ebony_01@iwon.com' Terry Marburger says:

    I don’t think you have read the Quran. If you did you would think different.
    I do believe that we can study with them to help them in believing a Loving God, not a pagan god.

  • bragany@gmail.com' Popasudo Braga says:

    HAHAHHHHHHHHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH

    Standard rant. . .but once I got to this part [And yes, there are good Muslims, my husband and multiple friends are
    some of them, but they don’t practice Islam…could this be the reason
    they are tolerant, charitable and open-minded…]

    I ERRUPTED WITH LAUGHTER.

  • scottgilliland@hotmail.com' Scott says:

    Based I what facts? We’ve experienced 16 straight years of politician presidents who have done a horrible job. It’s about time we get a non-politician in the office. Why not an intelligent surgeon?

  • scottgilliland@hotmail.com' Scott says:

    Read the Korran and get back to us.

  • scottgilliland@hotmail.com' Scott says:

    As opposed to the progressive socialist party? Seriously? Look at history. The policies of Kennedy’s democratic party are much more inline with today’s republican party than the democrats.

  • scottgilliland@hotmail.com' Scott says:

    For starters, comparing Adventism to Islam is beyond ridiculous. Have you even read the teachings of Islam? Adventists debate whether or not women should be ordained ministers. It wouldn’t even be an issue if the church was comprised of non-3rd world members. In comparison Islam’s treatment of women is barbaric. Adventists treat non-adventists with respect. While all Muslims don’t follow all the teachings of Islam, the ones that do behead the infidels. So claiming the two religions are similar is a signal that you are either naive or worse.

    Claiming that Carson is fueling Muslim hatred is alsi ridiculous. All the man said was that he wouldn’t support a Muslim president IF they put the teachings of Islam above the country. And stated a FACT that Sheria law doesn’t comply with the US constitution. Stop espousing the politically correct agenda, pull your head out of the sand, and recognize what is directly in front of you. Islam is not a religion of peace. That’s not to say all Muslims are bad and they certainly shouldn’t be persecuted, but there’s no way a Muslim should ever be allowed to be president. Sadly that ship has likely sailed, and we’re reaping the unfortunate consequences.

  • mnizam99@gmail.com' Mustafa says:

    Jim, you are so full of shit, your eyeballs are brown Just by using the term’Moslem,’ I can tell right away you are as phony as a $3 bill.

  • scottgilliland@hotmail.com' Scott says:

    Since you clearly hate america why don’t you move to Iran and see if you like it better.

  • healersam@yahoo.com' sam says:

    Mr, Miss, or Mrs you did not list a name of title. After reading your letter, you really do not sound to adhere to the ideology of the Seventh Day Adventist Church.
    First of all, it is possible that you did not understand what Dr. Carson was referring to when he said that a person who prescribes to the teaching of Sharia law could not serve as president. Under the United States Constitution, which I assume you to be a citizen of the United States, and therefore on who should understand this precious document, any person who would put ANY religion, even those of Seventh Day Adventist Church above the United States Constitution while serving as an officer of this country would be found guilty of a crime, possible treason, against the United States. When a person affirms the office president, he or she swears to uphold the Constitution against all enemies of the United States, both foreign and domestic. If he or she allows another entity to supersede this duty, he or she fail to perform such duty. As a professed Adventist you should be aware of the following statement, “no man can serve two masters”. This is why the SDA church has always fought for separation of church and state so that any American can serve as an officer of this great nation. Unfortunately neither Sharia law, nor Romanism believe in this, and it is the exact reason why John F. Kennedy was at odds with his own professed faith. Ben Carson is merely pointing out this belief system, separation of church and state does not exist, and therefore it would be most difficult for a practicing Muslim to have the countries best interest over that of Islam. Stating the truth does not make one a bigot, it makes him honest.
    Pertaining to your statement about the church being “discriminatory” when using your quoted phrase. If you are a Seventh Day Adventist, then you should adhere to solo scriptura. That God’s word is the sole authority over that which He has created. God created marriage and therefore is the only One who has the requisite authority to define it, regardless of the Supreme Court’s ruling. I believe all Americans should have the rights as allowed by the Constitution, but the name marriage is NOT for any person to redefine.
    For this reason, Dr. Ben Carson will have a very difficult task of separating his faith from his leadership role if he wins the presidency, and why he should follow this path only after prayer and reflection. Being president of this country may not be suitable for any Seventh Day Adventist in these last days.
    I have good news for the author of this paper. Jesus is coming very soon and he will set all injustices straight. Happy Sabbath.

  • healersam@yahoo.com' sam says:

    Say what? Where did you get those ages. The Holy Bible does not state that, it only states that Mary was a virgin, a vassal for Jesus Christ, and that Joseph had a previous marriage with children. It does not mention this drastic disparity in age?

  • healersam@yahoo.com' sam says:

    So how do you feel about what the papacy did to the Protestants?

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    You actually believe the majority of the US press are made of Conservatives?

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    Right. Because the Holocaust was done by Muslims. Because jews were treated as 3rd class citizens in USA by Muslims half a century ago.

    What views are you referring to? So far you have jumped from blaming all Muslims which I refuted that Saudi is only 2.5% of Muslim world to Jews to Garland. Make up your mind. Would ya.

    Now let’s look at terrorist attacks since 9/11. Can you point me to one besides Boston? Now, Garland is a terrorist attack and not a shooting? Because 2 Muslim guys wanted to do it? How come the daily mass shootings are not terrorist attacks? Because they are being done by white men?

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    Your words.. “Have you not seen the way gay people are treated in Muslim dominated countries? ”

    And I showed you that the countries you listed are less than 10% of the Muslim world. You can criticize Muslims all you want. Not going to change a thing because you are pandering to the hatred in your heart.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    The US did invade Iraq a few years ago, and wipe it out in a few days. Iraq was a non-enemy. Our president called it a Crusade and backed it up with torture. This might be large scale terrorism by the US.

    A few decades ago Iran was a democracy. Their elected government wanted to run the country for the benefit if Iranians, instead of foreign oil interests, so our president sent in the CIA to destabilize the government through hiring gangs of people to demonstrate and fight in the streets so that we could topple their government and install our puppet dictator who would let us control the oil. I guess now that Americans know this is what we did, people will have to decide if this was act of terrorism too.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    I think you are wrong about the constitution. Natural born citizens of this country do NOT need to understand the document. Only recent immigrants need to know that.

    Also if Carson is one of those Seventh Day Adventists who believe Jesus is coming very soon and will set all injustices straight, then he would make a bad president. Judging by his views on the Devil, he probably is one of them.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    Those of us who watched Superman know that is wrong. Pressure on a stone won’t work. It needs to be pressure on a piece of coal.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    I am not at all surprised by Ben Carson’s anti-Islamic and Islamaphobic rhetoric as it relates to the SDA university and institutional policies. It is in perfect sync with the current anti-Islamic rhetoric that is embraced by many leaders within Seventh-Day Adventist universities and other entitites. As a former SDA who converted to Islam, I can testify that Ben Carson is the tip of the ice berg when it comes to anti-Islamic and Islamaphobic beliefs and behaviors coming from the SDA institutions. It is a shame because Jesus never taught people to be so exclusive in religious rights, freedoms, and liberties… However, the SDA Church continues to struggle with with a superiority complex, which promotes discriminatory policies and decisions from leaders within the institutions to openly and confidently discriminate against Muslims, just as the church currently and in the past has discriminated against other minority groups. Often times, you will hear rhetoric on one side (which I hope and believe is from a few in the church who are honestly dissatisfied with this type of ignorant, bigoted, and harmful thinking) paired with the opposite and equal reaction of Islamaphobia. I believe this is stemming from a sort of schizophrenic missionary agenda that is deeply ingrained in the Adventist mindset and classes within SDA institutions and seminaries, which propagate misinformation (at best) and promote negative stereotyping of Muslims, including many times Islamaphobic materials, ideas, and policies which exclude Muslims from any real advocacy by their institutions. If I were to sum up the SDA-Muslim relations at most of the SDA institutions, I would say it is a one sided business relationship, where Muslims are welcomed to institutions for two reasons: Money for tuition and/or Conversion Theory 101 to “save” them. The question arises, ‘what would one want to save them from’? When promoting SDA institutions to Muslims, often times SDAs will tout the fact that they are so similar because of “diet and no-alcohol behaviors”. I would rather, hope the SDA institutions will one day be able to say, “We are so alike because of the love we have for God and love and respect we have for each other….” As Malcolm X said, “Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds. I have always kept an open mind, a flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of the intelligent serach for truth”… “I have more respect for a man who lets me know where he stands, even if he’s wrong… than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil.”…. “I am for truth, no matter who tells it.. I am for justice, no matter who it’s for or against”. Once the SDA Church is able to take a transparent stance on Muslims and open and extend hands of respect and true honest communication, the continued prejudice and discrimination will continue within the walls of it’s institution. May God help us all to become better at respectful and honest dialogue to build bridges of peace and hope in a broken world… that is, afterall, the SDA Mission of the World Church… I long for the day they will begin to practice what they preach…

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    As a Seventh-day Adventist myself, when I read the open letter of reproof from another SDA based on politically correct arguments or words like Islamophobia or xenophobia instead of the “sacred texts” that the author speaks of in his letter, I suspect that my fellow SDA is worshipping at the altar of political correctness and not at the feet of Jesus (where we all should be in the shadow of the cross) who always proclaimed “It is written” and relied on His Father in Heaven as His authority for everything He taught or did or for any ones He reproved. The discrimination of women, LGBTQ people, and subjugation of those with different religious beliefs along with an approved morality of lying to advance the cause of Islam and Sharia law in the world are serious matters of life and death that ensnares and enslaves the Muslim world (and threatens the rest of the world) with a morality derived from a graceless “holy” book that makes savages out of people who were created, not in the image of Allah nor Mohammad, by whose names they are cursed, but in the image of the only true God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent to reconcile us all to Himself. Your “growing chorus of Seventh-day Adventists denouncing the moral authority of Adventist church leadership as a result of its choices to perpetuate discrimination against women and LGBTQ people” not only pales in comparison to the deafening sounds of cruelty inflicted upon those same ones and so many others in the Muslim world, but your “chorus” is seriously out of tune and off key with the music of the sacred Scriptures lacking any harmony with “It is written” and the seal of our Father in Heaven.

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    This is completely incorrect. Also “takkiyyah” isnt a noun or a thing one can become. It is a Shia concept where if your life is in danger, you can lie. All of the atrocities you mentioned are prohibited in Islam. Female mutilation is central Africa phenomenon which is seen in Christian majority countries as well.

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    That poet tried to assassinate the Prophet, forgot that small detail did we? He was involved in conflicts of course, he had to defend his people from threats. He would also attack Quraish caravans which were an enemy faction and actively working against the Muslims. All completely justified.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Yup the Prophet had to kill that big scary poet for writing poetry opposing him. You have a very white washed version of the violent conflict Muhammad was involved.

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    Not too bright are we?

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    The Faith that follows and worships the only true God incarnate in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, who created man in His own image and who came to reconcile the whole world to Himself through His love and who taught “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no man comes to the Father but by Me”, you say you believe that same Faith has a “superiority complex” and you are asking us to understand that you went from that to a political-religious theocracy whose name means “submission” to Allah and Mohammad , whose names are a curse to all people under those names, whereby you are compelled to worship that same god and his prophet under threat of death if you ever forsake Islam or transgress the prophet’s Sharia law? You’re asking us to believe that you gave up the Faith of the only true God who draws all through His Love and acquired a faith in a moon god and a howling-at-the-moon prophet that you have to worship, not in Spirit and in Truth, but in fear and trembling and in political correctness? That’s what you are asking us to believe and understand how wise you were in leaving and going to? Really?

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    All I can do is just shake my head and the American left wing has me so embarrassed.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Next you are going to tell me that there were no chemical weapons in Iraq and some of them didn’t end up in Syria. Do you also believe Bush let 9/11 happen or his people were behind it?

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    I don’t think bringing up Pakistan is a such a good idea when talking about gay people since in 2013 Pakistan was found to be one of the least gay tolerant countries in a study that included close to 40 countries.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    So the poet was a threat to Muslim and was going to kill them that’s why they killed him?

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    I’ll just repeat myself:

    The poet tried to assassinate the prophet, their political and religious leader.

    The Poet was then given the death penalty like any nation today would for an assassin.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    You have provided, yet further, evidence of the ignorance about Islam and Muslims, in general.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Umm no they killed because of he wouldn’t convert, he wrote a poem bashing the prophet, was a political enemy.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    He was also a threat to Muhammad’s credibility, he was an old man, and I’m also pretty sure they killed him while he was sleeping.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    Even if Iraq had WMD it would not be a reason to go to war because lots of nations have them, and none more than us. As it turned out, WMD in Iraq was just an excuse to go to war after the earlier excuse of trying to connect Saddam Hussein to 9/11 turned out to be false.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    An intelligent surgeon who believes the Devil is teaching us evolution.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    There is tons of evidence in the Holy Scriptures, in the news everyday, in the Koran, and from the testimony of millions who have been and are enslaved by Islam to back up what I stated. Jesus says, “You must be born again”, so where is the evidence to support your opinion criticizing the Faith of Jesus since, having left it, you obviously weren’t born again and your opinion is, therefore, unreliable and cannot be considered credible. Especially considering Taqiya, how can anyone believe you?

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Sometimes silence IS the most eloquent reply… Especially to lies. Truth is available – seek and you will find.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    Their owners and editors, yes. Doesn’t matter for the reporters. If they don’t tow the line they are out of work. Do you really think they a liberal?

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    Clearly I care about it and don’t take that puff treatment our own military adventures do to others. Clearly you do believe that crap.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    Which extremists are they? You failed to give one to check on.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    Again which policies, which Liberals etc?

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    Much of the WMD they did have was either US or promoted by the US to sell to them. Why Pres. GWB was so sure they were there. He didn’t realize that by 1998 the UN had cleared all that out. Whatever was found later were 40 years out of date.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    You get that treatment yourself for your lack of data.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    So it doesn’t matter the person, just the religion he dislikes fully and totally. A bigot on it then.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    One of many virgins giving birth in many religions, some not in use now.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Have you not seen the way the left has embraced some of the ridiculous feminist in America (not saying all feminist all ridiculous), the leaders of the black lives matter movement who are against common sense laws/polices to combat crime, and occupy wall street that ended up being such a giant embarrassment due the way they acted. We need to stop giving a platform for people like Anita Sarkeesian, Rebecca Watson (who’s also done some damage the Atheist community), and Zoe Quinn.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    In the Bible, the faithful are “lively stones” that together make up the Spiritual Temple where God dwells. The “lively stones” are made up of carbon atoms, so, therefore, the metaphor is accurate. The real Superman, Jesus Christ, will never lead you astray. Contrary to what many people believe, most diamonds do not form from coal but from pressure on carbon sources such as carbonate rocks such as limestone, marble and dolomite deeper in the earth than coal deposits and brought up by eruptions or by plate tectonic processes, but evidence of diamonds forming from coal deposits impacted by asteroids or meteors have been found.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    You noticeably still have not and cannot produce any evidence to prove your original statements. I and many others have already found the Truth and the Life as it is in Jesus. None of us are perfect, but He is and we cling to Him. You gave up the Truth and want people to be slaves of and cling to Mohammad who is a proven liar, pedophile, blasphemer, and disciple of Satan – cursed be his name. If silence is so eloquent, why are you replying?

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    What lack of data are you talking about? I gave you a list of just a couple of people/groups liberals have been hijacked by/give them a platform/try to carry out their agenda (which we have had a little trouble doing since we got our butts kicked in the last election). I can’t forget Mom’s Demand Action and the Brady Campaign which should also be included.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    The metaphor is accurate, but people get crushed in the process.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    It sounds like you are calling for a Christian end times destruction of the world, and justifying it by saying that is how to avoid an Islamic end times destruction of the world.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Like most unGodly liberals, you are out of touch with reality and seeing things that are not there. You can quote nothing that I said above that even remotely sounds like I was “calling for a Christian end times destruction of the world”

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Yes, but, if faithful, they come out as diamonds.

  • Lilmo2nd@aol.com' NavyBlues05 says:

    You’ve failed to contrast this with all the domestic terrorism committed on US soil by non-Muslims. Christian sects on US soil perpetuate multiple felonies and avoid jail because of “religious freedom.” One state has the graves of infants/children as proof…Idaho. Can’t forget the Klan, White Knights, Skin Heads, Storm Front, Neo-Nazis…etc. all quite active and relishing the spot light being directed toward a religious minority.

  • Lilmo2nd@aol.com' NavyBlues05 says:

    Oh, you mean groups like the Moral Majority and Christian Coalition and people like Pat Buchanan and Ralph Reed?
    The Republicans were on a roll until getting hijacked by money & power greedy Chrisitan n’er do wells.
    The liberal left is doing well pointing out the fallacies and fake miracles of their sainted Ronald Reagan of Iran/Contra fame. (Gary Webb should you need additional reading)

  • Lilmo2nd@aol.com' NavyBlues05 says:

    Do you have any credible, peer reviewed sources?

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    Oh really. Again, where in Pakistan is anyone being thrown off buildings. You are one dilusional individual who keeps jumping around trying to find someone else to blame. So far you started off as punishment for gays as stoning which BTW is not carried out to capital punishment to making a new country called northern Nigeria and now focusing on Pakistan. Show me where is anyone getting thrown off a building in Pakistan or UAE or any other highly populated Muslim countries.
    Waiting for you to make a new Muslim country now.

  • Lilmo2nd@aol.com' NavyBlues05 says:

    “You gave up the Truth and want people to be slaves of and cling to Christianity which has been known to lie, harbor pedophiles, steal, murder, bear false witness…etc., etc., etc.”

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    How many people where killed by 9/11 and just look at all the unsuccessful Islamic terrorist attacks (the number is close to 30) on US soil.

  • Lilmo2nd@aol.com' NavyBlues05 says:

    Christianity isn’t exactly peaceful either, nor has it been for centuries. And no, Pres. Obama isn’t a Muslim, his biological father was. If that’s what determines the religious identity of men, then there are thousands of so called “leaders” who have some serious explaining to do should their lineage be made known.

    “That’s not to say all Muslims are bad and they certainly shouldn’t be persecuted, but there’s no way a Muslim should ever be allowed to be president.”

    This statement is a violation of the US Constitution.
    If it’s an opinion, any noun/modifier can be inserted here and sound equally offensive. As a matter of fact, on US soil and territories, all sorts of nouns/modifiers have been used here.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    “Oh really. Again, where in Pakistan is anyone being thrown off buildings. You are one dilusional individual who keeps jumping around trying to find someone else to blame.”

    Why does being thrown off buildings the only thing that counts when it comes to treating gay people horribly? My first comment to you brought up the oppression of gay people (never said the only oppression was throwing people off buildings) in Muslim dominated countries which you got all upset about for some reason even though it’s 100% true?

    “So far you started off as punishment for gays as stoning which BTW is not carried out to capital punishment to making a new country called northern Nigeria and now focusing on Pakistan.”

    Please quote me where I said gay people are being stoned for being gay? I also never said northern Nigeria was a country and even clearly explained why I said northern Nigeria instead of all Nigeria. The whole reason I even brought up Pakistan/Indonesia is because you brought them up which is why I focused on them. Why are you being so dishonest or are you really having this much trouble with context and how I’ve clearly explained things for you? Do you seriously not even know what you have said so far?

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    God is loving, merciful, and most forgiving… And for sure God does not discriminate according to outward appearance or superficial proclamations of faith, while some harbor deep seated anger and hatred for other human kind that happen to believe in the same God as Jews and Christians, but with a different “label”. Bismillah al rahman al rahim – in the name of God, most merciful, most forgiving and gracious- this is how each chapter of Quran starts and how each Muslim begins a prayer to the God of Abraham and Moses and Jesus and Muhammed (Peace upon them all). Ignorance breeds hatred, superiority complexes, and fear- Truth- clear truth, indeed, will always set you free. Peace be to you and to all human kind… We are only different by our intentions and actions, not by labels, colors, gender, education, ethnicity, religion, etc… You can say you are whatever you want (SDA, Christian, etc), but really I cannot take you seriously until you practice what Jesus taught, which is exactly why I am a Muslim… I follow Jesus and all his teachings about loving God with all my heart, mind and soul and loving my neighbor as myself…. I am pretty sure Jesus did not place a clause of exception when he said to love one another… He meant ALL God’s creation. Prophet Muhammed, peace be upon him, also said.. “You are not a Muslim (one who submits their lives to God) until you want for your brother what you want for yourself”…. “Invite all to the way of your Lord in the most beautiful way…” Quran. #weAREone

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    They are just as bad but the left needs to get it together because we are becoming a laughing stock.

  • Lilmo2nd@aol.com' NavyBlues05 says:

    From the deck of my carrier I already had a damn good idea of how many people were killed on that day. I also know for a fact that thousands of peaceful Muslims died that day. Terrorism is not exclusive to a particular religion that happens to be out of favor. Domestic terrorism existed on this soil long before the first tower bombing and the second by imported terrorists.
    It will not go away as long as one group perceives itself as being superior over another… whether tied to any religion, nationality, sex, or creed. Terrorism of any sort will never go away, like hate, it merely shifts focus towards any other minority.
    For terrorism to be defeated, establish a theocracy and morality police. It will look like the USSR or Saudi Arabia.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    The right wing is doing well pointing out the fallacies and fake miracles of our sainted Bill Clinton and all his family scandals/his corrupted cronies being caught which would take at least a day to make a full list.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Not to mention for some reason we trying to run candidates like Hillary, Sanders, O’Malley and possibly drunk uncle Joe. It’s embarrassing and needs to change. Can’t forget people are making everyone on the left (including me) look like idiots when we point out Republican doing bad things and then try to down play the crap the Clinton’s/ Obama have done.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    Calling on people to sit at the feet of Jesus in the shadow of the cross leads there. You condemn Muslims for a graceless holy book that makes savages out of people. You say they are cursed while you have the image of the only true God and Jesus Christ. The hatred of your world can end only in destruction, and your religion looks forward to it.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    We are America, we take pride in our independence, and it is hard for us not to feel superior over all the others when we are the only Superpower, and we got there by spending as much on our military as the rest of the world combined, and having the biggest stockpiles of WMD, plus a virtual monopoly on development of 21st century weapons systems like drones and lasers and probably lots of other technology that we don’t even know about yet. We are inventing the future of war and crowd control, and testing of these systems is on an as needed basis.

  • Lilmo2nd@aol.com' NavyBlues05 says:

    Bill Clinton is no saint and that has been firmly established. Do he and Hillary have bodies (literally) hidden? Without a doubt.
    St. Reagan has the blood of thousands of military members and civilians on his hands through Iran/Contra alone. Not to mention the 100+ members of his administration that were subpoenaed and/or indicted; Ollie North just happens to have been the most visible.

    Religion and politics should never mix, both become corrupted with they do.
    Pat Buchanan pines for the days of the Antebellum South where Christianity was mandatory. Where everyone knew “their place” and didn’t try to improve their station.
    Ralph Reed was the Elmer Gantry of that particular decade…until his abusive sweatshop business ventures saw the light of day.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    That is only in heaven, and not in reality.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    I have 20 years working with Muslims across the world… My experience is completely opposite of yours…. Muslims are normal, beautiful, intelligent people who just want to live peacefully and practice their religion. Perhaps you see what you are looking for in a people… I always look for goodness… I would assume your job in “Anti-terrorism” would predispose you to having a biased negative view… Especially since your exposure was only to criminals who also happened to be Muslim… Sorry, but in case you haven’t noticed criminals come in every race, religion, and creed. You cannot judge 1.8 billion good, wonderful, kind, loving and genuinely law abiding Muslims by the .01% who are bad. It is just pure stupidity to base your psychology and claims on such poor statistical analysis.

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    You have yet to prove your point on a single thing. You are the one who listed 4 countries and 1 made up country. I called you out and then you switched topocs. You have yet to answer a single question I have asked besides making false claims. Tell me this first. Are you for marriage equality or not? Let’s start with basic questions first so you can get the hang of it.

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    “Have you not seen the way gay people are treated in Muslim dominated countries? Captial punishment for being gay is still legal in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, Mauritania, Sudan,northern Nigeria and in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) it’s punishable by corporal/capital punishment depending on the area.”

    Your very first comment. You are the one who brought up capital punishment not me.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    So now Capital punishment can only be stoning? To the best of my knowledge capital punishment includes things like beheading, firing squad, electric chair, hanging, lethal injection. How did you get gay people are being stoned to death from a comment about capital punishment?

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    I’ve explained 3 times why I said northern Nigeria instead of all Nigeria. I can’t believe you are denying all the horror gay people go through in Muslim dominated country. I support all marriage between consenting adults which I believe can also be more than just 2 people because I’m not a giant hypocrite like so many people who support marriage equality. Do you support same sex marriage?

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    You are out of touch with reality when it comes to spiritual things because you judge by the appearances and lack faith which is the substance of things unseen. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned and spiritual things are the true reality. I condemn no one, but I do condemn the lies and evil of Islam or political correctness or any false religion that gives men license and presumption to rule over others and takes away their liberty and make slaves of them in the name of false gods and false prophets and political messiahs. You say “Calling on people to sit at the feet of Jesus in the shadow of the cross” leads to calling for “Christian end times destruction of the world”, but you offer no proof of that statement and we must only believe such a thing because you, who professes no love for the truth or for God, say it is so. It is you who have hatred in your hearts for goodness and truth because the God of goodness and truth condemns the evil of the world which you love and calls His people out of your world. It is not the hatred of my world that can end only in destruction, it is the love of your world that can only end in destruction because, as Jesus said, His “kingdom is not of this world” and His kingdom is our world. “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” 1John 2:15. The destruction of your world is prophesied, but I pray that all may come to a knowledge and love of the Truth as it is in Jesus before that destruction happens so that no one in your world, including you, would perish. There is only one reason we would look forward to the destruction of the world and that is for an end to the evil and the suffering thereof.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    I’ll try my hardest to break this down for you so it can easier for you to understand.

    1. You made a claim that I said that the punishment for gays is stoning.

    2. I asked you to show me where I said that.

    3. You post my quote.

    4. My quote never says anything about stoning and It only talked about capital/corporal punishment.

    5. I then brought the fact that capital/corporal punishment includes other punishments like hanging/lethal injection.

    6. What ever your future response is.

    Hope this made it easier for you

  • ny4t@comcast.net' thelastmoderate says:

    Let’s use a little logic, here. If Obama truly were a stealth Muslim, would he have used Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s controversial church as a cover story? Hell, no. He would have been a member of some middle of the road mainline Protestant congregation. The last thing he would have wanted to do would be to draw attention to his religion.

  • ny4t@comcast.net' thelastmoderate says:

    Your ad hominem is showing.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Mustafa: The dictionary allows for two (2) spelling versions, and I choose to use Moslem because it annoys Muslims. Of course, it also permissible to use the term “Mohammedan” or “Muhammedan” and I chose the first, just as I use Mohammed rather than Muhammad to identify the insane moon worshiping creator of the cult of Islam.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    You, sir, are a liar that twists the truth because it doesn’t fit his twisted view of the world. Some professed Christians may betray Christ and some of those things, just as some Navy men may betray their country, but Christ never did those things, nor did He ever teach others to do those things as Mohammad did and taught his followers to do all those things in the name of Allah.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Muslims claim to worship the same God as Christians, but there is no way this can be the case since Allah and Muhammad reject Jesus as God’s only begotten Son and declare that Allah has no son. Because of Taqiya, all your words are just that, words only, and are not credible and no one can take you seriously until you reject Allah who has no begotten Son and Muhammad, cursed be his name, who declares that Allah will destroy anyone who believes that he has a Son. Right now you are a house divided against itself which cannot stand. No one can serve two masters. If Allah be god, follow him, if Jesus be God, follow Him. JESUS IS I AM.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    From the entire Muslim community….. Peace to all of you. When you have moved from your place of hatred and intolerance and begin to adopt honest dialogue, with full acceptance of us as humans – as God does- you are most welcome to a beautiful reception- Muslims believe in the same God as Abraham, Moses, Jesus… Please stop creating preposterous claims about OUR beliefs… We know we follow Jesus- we love and follow Jesus more than many SDAs do… Stop telling us and others false information about our beliefs… Islam is a Judeo-Christian religion… One cannot be a good Muslim if he/she does not accept the People of the books (Jews and Christians). Stop feeding yourselves with false information that feeds your own bias, if you are really a Christian…. Go and meet a practicing Muslim at the local Mosque and open your hearts and minds to listen….It is your decision… Will you be part of the truth seeking & peace building between our children or part of the mischief creators by creating lies against your neighbor (bearing false witness)….until then, peace to all of you….from your Muslim neighbors

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    The percentage of Muslim involved in terrorist attacks is .01% of the 1.8 billion population

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    It is the law of the land and regardless of my personal beliefs, I will not discriminate or be rude or deny anyone anything based on race, religion or their orientation. I have been on the receiving side of being discriminated and it is not a good feeling.

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    So how do you get that less than 10% of Muslim countries are killing their gay citizens?

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    You justified Carson’s remarks by stating that he is right about discriminating against Muslims because of something that happens in another part of the world and your reasoning is that it will happen here. Simple answer to your nonsense.

  • scampisi@windstream.net' Steven Campisi says:

    Fear keeps racism alive. Great job of scaring out of touch wackos.

  • scampisi@windstream.net' Steven Campisi says:

    Great article and thanks for clearing this up. So many people are turned off by all these so-called Religious Politicians who use fear to get votes. By scaring vulnerable people, they are hijacking religion for selfish reasons.

  • scampisi@windstream.net' Steven Campisi says:

    I agree. Scott, it is you who hate the diversity of America and our acceptance of LBGT community. It is you who does not tolerate other religions and support this out of touch politician. It is you who needs to leave America because this nation is advancing without you.

  • scampisi@windstream.net' Steven Campisi says:

    In the meantime, far right wing, anti-government teabagging types are shooting up our schools and public buildings at alarming rates.

  • jnt.suppliers@yahoo.co.nz' Joel Tameifuna says:

    I think Nelson-blake should be a politician, not a minister of religion, let alone an Adventist minister. Your loyalty is to your Islamic friends and should ask for a job at a Mosque. If your calling for SDA members to stand up against their leaders, then you probably don’t know how deep the influence of your friends on you. As an SDA myself, I’m ashamed to know that we have a minister of our church with a job description like yours. Matthew 28:18-20 is your biggest call to go out into the world, I would hate to ask how many souls have you baptised in the past year. I won’t be surprised if you said none. Im told by the Good Book not to judge, so please stand aside and let me talk about characters like yours. Ben Carson is our Hero from here down under and he’s entitled to his own opinion, why bring the church into it.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    So I am out of touch with reality because I judge by the evidence, and not by how people of faith see things. I like to think of it as sacrificing religious reality for the sake of physical reality.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    They worship Allah and are a house divided because they serve two masters. You on the other hand worship both God and Jesus. Have you double checked your math?

  • Lilmo2nd@aol.com' NavyBlues05 says:

    I happen to be a disabled Navy woman and Christians have betrayed and are still betraying me, my women veterans, and all service members. Jesus may have been a man peace, it’s his followers who give me and many others pause. It’s the behavior of US citizens castigating, condemning, and denying the 1st amendment rights of other citizens that’s downright betraying. I and millions of others, 1% of the population, have served to protect the rights of 350,000,000. Not merely the rights of one tyrannical religious sect, ALL citizens.
    Think about it…you have condemned and maligned all Muslim service members. US citizens who have served and are still serving their country, service members who now cannot speak of their faith, service members who are not represented in the US Chaplain Corps, service members who have some twisted interpretation of Christianity shoved down their throats daily.
    BTW, I’ve been in country during Ramadan and found it the most peaceful, reverent, and charitable religious period. Nothing about the US religious holidays have come close. It’s all about commercialized demonstrations, pageantry, and hypocritical bullshit. Since then everywhere I turn in the US are idolatrous symbols of Christianity but absolutely no behavior to back them up. Professed Christians DO BETRAY their brands of this religion. It’s documented in criminal records and jail sentences all over the globe. Little to nothing is ever publicized on ANY ATONEMENT other than that trite little phrase, “I’ll pray for them.” As I learned in church as a child, prayer and faith without action are merely hollow, self aggrandizing words and behavior.
    I work with homeless and under served families in my heavily churched community…without inflicting religion upon them but respecting theirs, if they have any. What do you do beyond condemnatory words on those of differing faiths?

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    In truth, when you accept Christ and are born anew, you may still be a diamond in the rough, uncut and unpolished, but in the Master Jeweler’s eyes, you ARE a diamond, and God is the only reality that really counts, now and forever.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    It is plain for everyone to see that it was the commenter I was replying who was attacking me personally by dishonestly saying that I was “calling for a Christian end times destruction of the world” when I clearly was not saying such a thing. It is him to whom you should be directing your ad hominem attack.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    One who judges spiritual things by the things of the flesh cannot judge accurately or wisely for “The carnal mind is enmity against God because it is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can be.” Romans 8:7.

  • ny4t@comcast.net' thelastmoderate says:

    It is plain for everyone to see that I was referring to the part of your post that says, “Like most unGodly liberals, you are out of touch with reality and seeing things that are not there.” Name-calling is a classic ad hominem fallacy. I don’t believe it is within your purview to determine who is Godly or unGodly, either. See Matthew 7: 1-3.

  • goetten@gmail.com' goetten says:

    You can find my sources on my comments. What you can’t find though are the sources that give any foundation for this article.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Allah and Muhammad are against Jesus and whosoever says the three can be reconciled is living in a house divided against itself.

    My math is good: God and Jesus are one.

    “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation..” 2 Corinthians 5:19

    Jesus says, “If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.” John 14:9

    Jesus is God.

    JESUS IS I AM.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    In today’s world we can’t go by Bible verses. Most of the Old Testament would not be legal today, including most of the 10 commandments. All of the New Testament is fiction.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    I think if you read the New Testament carefully, it becomes clear the Jesus story is a myth. People are starting to see that. The beliefs that have been passed down from generation to generation lead back to earlier generations, and not to God. It is time for us to grow up beyond the Bible, because belief in the Bible is a path to destruction.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    It will never actually be end times destruction, but Christian hatred of Islam does seem to lead to destructive Crusades, both in the distant past, and in recent years. You see it as your religion being on God’s side, and the other religion being on the Devil’s side. Whether or not you are directly in favor of war, that is where it leads.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Muslims CLAIM to follow both Jesus and Muhammad, but, in saying this, they are deceiving themselves or they are practicing Taqiya.

    In direct opposition to Muhammad, Jesus teaches in John 3:16-18 that through Him, as God’s only begotten Son, is the only way one shall not perish and have everlasting life.

    But Muhammad declares in Sura 9.30: “And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

    Muslims are not following Jesus because, to do so, would be to accept Him as God’s only begotten Son and, at the same time in accepting Jesus as God’s only begotten Son, they would have to accept Muhammad’s sentence of destruction upon themselves for calling Jesus Allah’s only begotten Son.

    Allah, Muhammad and Jesus are diametrically opposed to each other and irreconcilable.

    Anyone who says differently is not telling the truth.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    Belief in contradictions of the Bible do not make them true. Try to get beyond what your religion is teaching you.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Muslim apologist sure like to make up numbers just a few weeks ago it was 1% haha

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    So are you even going to admit that you were wrong and I never said anything about gay people being stoned to death? I have a great idea since you don’t seen the understand what gay people go through in Muslim dominated countries just do a simple google search on gay rights in SE Asia, Pakistan, and even India (where if I’m not mistaken same sex is criminalise ).

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Have you read the Quran, multiple studies/polls about Muslim views on certain topics, and researched the history of their Prophet? I would also discriminate against Christians like Peter Popoff, Kent Hovind, Eric Hovind, Pat Robinson, and Jerry Falwell if they ran for President. Many left wingers have been doing the same thing for years and opposing Christians who hold Religious beliefs we don’t agree with.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Same with Islam (the numbers are shocking compared to the Muslim population of the US) and that number would be even higher if they didn’t stop/prevent close to 30 Islamic terrorist attacks on US soil since 9/12/01.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Unfortunately I also have to mention that from 1980-2005 the left committed 24% of all terrorism on US soil which was way more than the right wing (which was included under all other terrorism that equaled 16%). The stats listed above didn’t include acts of vandalism from animal rights either. Hopefully the few black lives matter terrorist who have shot a couple of cops won’t be included under left wing terrorism.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Jeremiah Wright is a racist and reportedly an ex-Moslem. What better cover would a stealth Moslem need than to be a member of a “pretend” Christian church guided by a probable Moslem?

    Nevertheless, the past is the past and we still have a Moslem in the white House. There is no question in that matter.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    You gave no list here that I saw from the comment I was responding to.
    Whose agenda do you mean, radical Muslims? What did they do that gets your ire up? Just one example. How did the Brady Campaign help said, or unsaid, agenda you are talking about? Just some details please?

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    The Bible and Quoran are both drenched in blood and promote horrible actions. Both should be flushed.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    Since they couldn’t go after Pres.Obama on his color they went after his standing as an American citizen and a Christian.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    So you do want to stir up any problems you can. A poor way of living. Islam was influenced by both Judaism and Christianity which itself came from Judaism. Moon, Sun, whichever to me they are all mind warped fiction.

  • nightgaunt@graffiti.net' nightgaunt says:

    Ex anything means that whatever they are for is usually more fanatical than those who just became Christian. A conspiracy idea that just makes it easier to hate a guy who is on your side more than you would care to believe. He isn’t on mine.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    nightgaunt: The frontal lobe epileptic, Mohammed heard stories while working on caravans and copied from Christianity and Judaism to create his first version of Islam, trying to be a sweet, gentle version of Christ. Unable to convince more than 130 followers after a dozen years, and unable to perform miracles, this version failed in Mecca.

    After he fled to Medina, he changed his business model to one of sexual obsession, violence, greed, hatred, barbaric savagery, duplicity, bigotry, and evil, the Islam we see today in Africa, Asia, and Europe.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Lori: Many Moslems are normal, decent, people as you say, but they do not represent the majority y any means.

    If they wanted to live peacefully and just practice their religion, why are they colonizing Europe and the Americas and spreading their hatred the way that they are.

    If they are thoughtful, caring, intelligent people, why do they not recognize that they are not wanted in every non-Moslem nation on earth and go back to their homelands?

    What is so beautiful about ISIS’s butchery, Boko Haram’s passion for burning innocents alive, Wahabbis cutting the hands off of children and women, and so much more.

    I,too have lived among Moslems, observed, and worked with them (in my case for just ten years, a mere decade) and have come to understand Mohammedism very, very well, far better than most, especially Dawa, Takiyya, and Kitman which you ought to know about.

    While I did have close friends who were Moslems, they were a minority. I did not like being threatened for denying visas and refusing jobs to the unqualified; having fatwas proclaimed against me for protecting and making embassies bomb proof; thwarting people spying on us; having friends murdered in the name of Allah; being attacked because I laughed at a Moslem who did something that was really stupid; and more. Oh, according to you, all of those experiences were just a few criminals acting out, right? They, in fact were acting in accordance with the sacred teachings of Mohammed’s Koran, emulating his history in the Sira, and his pronouncements in the ahadith.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    I am unwilling to become a dhimmi!

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Yeah, you’re right. They’re patriotic.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Ok, the .01% have committed over 20,000 acts of terrorism over the last dozen years. Your .01% is imaginative, but nothing else.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Mohammed told Moslems to emulate him. He burned people alive, he tortured them, he cut off their limbs, he cut their heads off, he raped children, he raped women, he enslaved people, he murdered anyone who disagreed with him, he plundered, he lied (he declared that he was the greatest of deceivers), and ISIS is emulating him and following his teachings.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Mohammed also had singers murdered because their songs offended him.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    If I were to judge all Christians on the KKK or the Crusades or the Confederate States and Powers or if I judged Jews soley upon the war crimes of Israelis against Palestinian children, would that be fair to Christianity or Judaism in it’s true sense? Just because people use religion for their own political agendas and to fill their own money changing, greedy pockets, doesn’t mean the religion is tainted or all of its followers….. There are criminals in every religion…. Plenty of war crimes and deaths and violence have been started by People who call themselves Christian….slavery, lynching, rape, torture, etc do not play this game of blaming the whole 1.8 billion Muslim population or even dare say the majority of Muslims are bad just because there are a few (less than 2% according to Pew Research Data) that happen to be criminal… Surely you do not make such blanket stereotypes – I wonder about your claim to exposure of Muslims at all…I know Muslims from almost every country of the world and can speak several languages well enough that I can hold deep conversations about thoughts, ideas, etc…. I can assure you that the majority of Muslims want peace… They want Other countries to stop destroying their own countries so they don’t have to leave their homes…. Islam is a beautiful religion that teaches mercy, love, kindness and respect for all human kind… If you do not believe me, go to a Mosque and speak to other Muslims… Ask them what they believe… Read the real Quran in context…. But please do not harbor the hate you have toward me and other Muslims or to spread false propaganda that ultimately places the lives of our children at risk and doesn’t open the doors to peaceful and respectful dialogue… Surely Jesus said to be good to your neighbors, just as Muhammed also showed kindness and mercy to neighbors- even the ones who through trash on him- he visited them while they were sick… Please stop trying to paint our beautiful Prophet (SAW) as anything less than the amazing example of love and kindness and mercy to all mankind. You are spreading lies about Muslims – bearing false witness against your neighbor…. Can you please stop judging and begin seeing Muslims as humans?

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    If you actually read the seerah, you will see that he was only executed once he tried to assassinate the Prophet. Perfectly reasonable and non controversial.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Takiyya isn’t an English word, it’s an Arab term that gives the OK to lying in any and all matters that advance Islam. Mohammed gave the OK for one of his followers to lie to an enemy to gain entrance into the man’s tent, and then Mohammed’s follower murdered the for of Mohammed. That’s the origin of Takiyya, but, of course if you’re a Sunni, it’s OK to blame it on the Shiia.

    Mohammed instructed that all Moslems were to emulate him. He committed all manner of atrocities, and ISIS/ISIL/Boko Haram, and all others are doing their duty to Mohammed.

    Mohammed had an opportunity to outlaw Female Genital Mutilation, and didn’t do that. He therefore provided a defacto authorization to mutilate females. It is therefore legal for Moslems to mutilate females.

    Yes, such mutilation is occurring in Christian and animist cultures, but not nearly as much as in Islam.

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    This is so highly incorrect I dont know where to begin. He most certainly never burned people alive and cut of limbs, these are heinous acts in Shariah law. Beheading was the method of execution back then and it was done on criminals who deserved the death penalty. Rape is explicitly forbidden in Islam. ISIS is emulating their own personal whims and desires and is not based on any Islamic teaching. I suggest you educate yourself about Islam and its teachings, im afraid you are very ignorant about this subject!

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    Deception is allowed in times of war. But that is it. If you think you should be honest with an enemy during wartime you are a fool. As Sun Tzu said, “War is 9/10ths deception.”

    Actually mutilation is forbidden in Islam so you are incorrect.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    I posted the original article earlier with the statistics… If you are going to argue with Pew Research Data, I think our discussion will be futile … If factual information is not enough for you, then I have discovered the main barrier to peace- it is an alternate reality that people who make such claims live in and refuse truth… Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts…Quran

  • ny4t@comcast.net' thelastmoderate says:

    To you, there isn’t.

  • ny4t@comcast.net' thelastmoderate says:

    By the way, please give me your source, on Jeremiah Wright. I am no defender of his but I have never heard that he was once a Muslim. His father was a Baptist minister, and Wright himself was a Christian seminary student, as well as serving in both the US Navy and Marines, before he started his ministry, in 1972. Where, exactly, did he fit a conversion to Muslim into his busy schedule?

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Maybe you should look at all the issues and wrong info that book. It sucks seeing people denying reality about a prophet will so much blood on his hands.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    According to some of the others on here those people deserved to die because they tried to assassinate Muhammad and all these murders were in self defense. The old poet was supposedly a hired killer in their world view. Smh

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    Ive read the Quran and i did not find any issues, rather I found a beautiful religion that preaches peace and tolerance. A religion that allows self defense when it is needed as well. It is a very practical book that deals with problems on the ground. It is also very spiritually uplifting. Tell me, are you Christian? Jewish? Atheist?

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Maybe you should look at all the issues and wrong info in that book. It sucks seeing people denying reality about a prophet who has so much blood on his hands.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    It’s complicated but pretty much agnostic who leans to the atheist side.

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    Jim how come you are ignoring all my replies? Am I too educated for you?

  • fleabers28@hotmail.com' Ronnadae says:

    Awesome. You have a gift.

  • adrianweirich@gmail.com' Idontknow says:

    This “article” is a bunch of bologna. Poorly written and makes no sense. Just someone who doesn’t like Ben Carson. And knows nothing about the two topics mixed in this “article.”

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    I really am not concerned about Moslems or anyone else seeking a relationship with God.

    I am deeply offended by cultural, political, militant, economic, genocidal Islam. Political Islam/Mohammedism clearly states that I, a Christian should be murdered or be forced into dhimmitude. That scares me. I am entitled to dislike in the strongest terms that which scares me, and I am not phobic, I am very much Islam-Aware.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Well said, Muhammed…. Unfortunately, people who want to spread lies, which breed fear and hatred against Muslims, do not care about the truth and teachings of Islam… Their focus is on continuing the lie to perpetuate fear culture… This is not new, they have done this to Blacks, Native Americans, and many other minorities throughout history…. It is just a shame that our words, which extend truth and peace, fall on deaf hearts.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Jim, I do not know your profession, but I hope you would be fair and at least search documentation that is true. Prophet Muhammad forbid any kind of disfiguring of humans and also forbid killing children, women, disabled, elderly… He even forbid the cutting of trees during wars because of the hope for peace… Wars, are supposed to be fought only for the sole purpose of coming to a peaceful solution NOT for greedy minds to collect money off of war situations, as some countries who claim to be other religions do today… Wars are never offensive in Islam…. They are only allowed as a form of defense and have very specific rules… Your claims about Islam are, at best, severely misinformed.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    Ben Carson is a Republican, and he believes in the Devil, even willing to speak in public about it.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    “My math is good: God and Jesus are one.”

    Can you break that down to what fraction is each.

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    Yes, I have read the Quran many times. What passage are you referring to? Please share.

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    No. You claimed that there is capital punishment. You made up a country. Then you said Pakistan is not the right example. Show me where on books is there a law against gays in Pakistan? There is more discrimination in America then in Pakistan probably against the minorities. Just look at what Carson said. What happens with Police and airports. So you are wrong completely. I know you are stubborn to never admit it. It happens when you are a rightwing nutjob.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    Maybe we need to reevaluate. Maybe Mormonism wasn’t so bad after all.

  • Newsflash for you, Sam: from the point of view of someone who is an atheist, ALL of your religious “teachings” sound alike. Do you hear me? Christian teaching – 1 man, 1 woman = marriage, no gays allowed. Sharia law – 1 man, 1 woman = marriage, no gays allowed…. THERE’S NO DIFFERENCE.

    A POX ON ALL YOUR (RELIGIOUS) HOUSES. I’m sick to death of the lot of you – arguing over whose sky fairy is the best one. Argue amongst yourselves if you must, but leave me – and the rest of America – the hell out of it.

  • Carson is “preaching love and tolerance”????? You really are delusional.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Lori: I am a retired Diplomat, a student of Islam and its history based on the teachings of the Koran, the Ahadith, and the Sira, and an now a writer and I teach about Islam/Mohammed. I have lived, worked, and come to know Islam up close and personal, and I understand that Islam is inherently evil.

    Mohammed forbade the killing of Moslem children, Moslem elderly, Moslem disabled. Non-Moslems are fair game as is clearly evident by what the Janjaweed did to cull about two million non-Moslems from the Southern Sudan. The only ones not slaughtered were the females who were made into slaves along with the young boys who were castrated and put to work as sex toys or field workers. In fact, millions of black Africans (non-Moslem) are being enslaved every year.

    Mohammed was persuaded to stop burning trees because they represented wealth that they could take from dhimmis.

    Moslem wars are fought to come to a peaceful solution – peaceful meaning with everyone opposed to Mohammedism either dead, enslaved, or made into dhimmis – that’s the Islamic meaning of peace.

    Wars are ‘never offensive’ in Islam is pure nonsense. That is a flat out lie, but because Mohammed said it, Moslems are required to believe that lie. I am a non-Moslem. Therefore, I offend Islam by the nature of the fact that I live free, and that is an offense justifying ‘defenseive war’, intended to subdue me.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Did you study about Islam from Muslims? Really? Where? I find it extremely sad that you purposely lie, distort and pretend to know information greater than a Muslim themselves… I have studied Islam for 18 years and have lived amongst Muslims for as long… I have studied Islam deeply and know and understand Arabic for full understanding of original sources. You are describing cultural practices in the country you lived in… This is NOT in any way indicative of the practices of our beloved Prophet Muhammed (SAW). I encourage you to learn from Muslims about the real history from the source of Quran… You will- for sure- not find any of the preposterous claims you have invented or been blindly led to believe … Seek knowledge from original sources in many different venues to receive a full and accurate picture – in that way, you will be able to speak intelligent words that bring light and peace in this world which desperately cries out for truth

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Those who rail against God or Godly principles can be aptly described as “unGodly” which isn’t name-calling, notwithstanding that an ad hominem attack is one that attacks ones opponent’s character or personality in order to avoid a reasonable discussion of the issue at hand. You’ll notice that in my reply, which you describe as ad hominem, I was presenting the fact that Mr. Reed showed no evidence whatsoever in his claim that I was “calling for a Christian end times destruction of the world”. Evidence that he still has not yet provided, nor can he, because there isn’t any. I was arguing the issue at hand, Mr. Reed was dishonestly twisting my words in an unGodly way.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    The problem is seeing your religion as the true religion of God, and seeing the other religion as evil and the way of the devil. That can lead to Crusades and mass killing, as it did in the past, and has done recently. I was just trying to draw you out. What do you believe about end times? Do you believe Jesus is coming soon? Do you believe we are headed to a war between the people of God and Muslims or other devil worshipers? Do you believe the Holy Scriptures say God is on your side? I want to bring peace, not a sword.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    What you should have said is, “In today’s world, I can’t go by Bible verses.” As it is written, “Behold the proud, his soul is not upright in him; but the just shall live by his faith.” Habakkuk 2:4. Which of the Ten Commandments is not legal for me to keep in today’s world?

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    Most of them could not be a part of our laws today. About 7 of them would be unconstitutional if they were incorporated into the law. You can still keep them if you want, just don’t expect the rest of us to respect you for doing it.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Nope. God and Jesus are indivisible.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    I think they are mythological

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    I do want to keep them and will do so, God willing with HIs help. It sounds like you are a legalist whose morality is equal to and no deeper than that which is legal only? Is that correct? If not, what is your moral code of conduct?

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    It is no use trying to reason with someone who is not spiritual who judges everything by the flesh for “The carnal mind is enmity against God because it is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can be.” Romans 8:7.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    I want to help people. I think Christianity is holding us back. It has become the church (various churches) taking the part of God, and telling people what God wants, and telling them how God wants them to live, and especially telling them to believe in and support the church. In a way this is what would have been thought of as idolatry, believing in the church as God, and it involves a massive education campaign to get people to convince themselves it actually is God. This can result in rules, like the 10 commandments, that the people then use to judge each other. I think this is a critical mistake, because what do you do when someone tells you to take your 10 commandments and fuck off? It is true, we should not harm each other, not kill each other, or steal from each other. But religion has become a way for people to keep each other in line, and submit to the authority of the church, and tell themselves that the church represents God. I guess basically that is what I would like to correct.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    That is the basic difference of a scientific approach, and a religious approach. Science teaches us to go by the evidence. Religion teaches us to go by faith, and not question the religion, sometimes even if the evidence points in the opposite direction.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    I am on God’s side. “He (Jesus) is our peace who have made us both one and broken down the middle wall of partition between us.” Ephesians 2:14

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    You are on Christianity’s side.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    I have read the New Testament carefully and you have read it superficially and have it backwards. As Jesus says, “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. But narrow is the gate, and straight is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it.” Matthew 7:13,14. I trust Jesus’ credentials, not yours, no matter what they are, because your philosophy is the one that leads men to destruction.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    How do you help people without setting any boundaries? And who sets the boundaries? Someone with a carnal, rather that a spiritual, mind who thinks that He who is “the Way and the Truth, and the Life” is a myth? God forbid! Read the Book of Judges in the Bible and you will get a picture of what happens to people who do that which is right in their own sight.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    You can’t understand the New Testament unless you read it for what says, and not as the word of God. Christianity is based on the gospels, and they were written in the last third of the first century, and describe the life of a “Jesus” who was from the first third of the century. In the middle of the century, you have extensive Christian writings from Paul that describe a Christianity where the gospel stories were not known. If that was the Christianity in Paul’s day, he would have written his letters differently, with references to many of those events and sayings of Jesus. He referred to his own works and himself instead because the gospel Jesus story did not exist then. Paul got his Christianity from his visions, and from old testament scriptures. This shows the gospels were fiction, invented later.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    The problem comes when people set boundaries, and then say they are God’s boundaries. They are speaking for God, and that is idolatry.

  • Jews reject Jesus as well.

    Interesting that 2 out of the 3 Abrahamic religions reject the divinity of Jesus. Even more interesting that the two represent the religions that come both before and after Christianity. The people who came before didn’t buy it, and neither did the people who came after.

    Interesting.

  • Would you find it persuasive if someone quoted to you from the Book of Mormon? No? So, why do you think Jews or Muslims would find it persuasive when you quote from the NT?

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    They know most will not listen. They are just trying to save as many as they can before the end.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    These religions only work in the context of an adversarial relationship. If they were in agreement, then there would be no point in even having a religion.

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    Isn’t the church Obama use to go to very popular in Chicago for the African American community and definitely helped him in his political career/helped him meet other political people in Chicago who go further his career?

  • neondeion12@yahoo.com' Brown says:

    hopefully my long comment will show up soon since it has to be approved first.

  • naminp78@gmail.com' and_then says:

    No. It didnt. Regardless I don’t see any of us agreeing to the other party’s POV.

  • petrick67@hotmail.com' Marc Petrick says:

    clearly you did not read Douglas’ reply, to which my answer was directed. He was criticizing the author of the article. I may be delusional, but at least I can read things in context, which you clearly cannot.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    The point of Judges is found in Judges 21:2:
    “every man did what was right in his own eyes.”

    Your fleshly interpretation of Judges doesn’t answer the question of How you help people when you, yourself, have no set boundaries, no fixed points of reference, to pass on to the people you want to help?

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Once again, spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The carnal mind can’t prove by any amount of physical evidence the substance of things unseen. It is impossible for the unrenewed heart to recognize one’s own extreme biases in discerning spiritual and moral issues. As God tells us, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?” Jeremiah 17:9

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    You can’t really understand any Scripture in the Bible if you read it with a carnal mind which everyone has unless they have been born anew by the Spirit of God. A dead rock has no conception of and can’t understand a living, breathing, growing thing. “Blessed are those who know their need of God.” Matthew 4:3.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    I think your religion is trying to fake you out and get you to believe without thinking about it. They tell you you have to believe before you can believe. Does that make sense? I guess it does make people believe, at least some people.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    It sounds like you are saying the rational mind can’t understand things that are not rational. I guess that is true, but I don’t see any value to irrational beliefs. The part about God saying the heart is deceitful and wicked is really just reasoning in a circle. You say whoever doesn’t accept your irrational ideas is wicked. And you believe this because your church told you.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    I help people by explaining how their church is working mind control tricks on them, and they can grow beyond that. They can move out from under the control of the church, and use their rational mind to see the truth.

  • emilyk04@gmail.com' Fired, Aren't I says:

    So… you do know that Arab Christians (like those in Lebanon and Israel/Palestine) translate the world “God” as “Allah,” yes?

  • sammy123@hotline.com' Sam says:

    “insane moon worshipping creator.” I’m dying laughing. You literally know nothing about Islam. Good to know!

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Initially, I studied Islam at the Blue Mosque in Istanbul under an Imam. Later, I had a mentor who was a Bosnian Moslem who taught me even more about Islam, He taught truths and you would call him an apostate because he was honest.

    I describe practices that are cultural Islam, and they are derived from the teachings of Mohammed.

    Most of the time, when I ask a Moslem, I am fed a line of takiyya from their book of dawa, which is untruthful.

    I have studied information about the real source of the Koran – Mohammed is that source. I have read the Koran and not that there are several passages that call Jews and Christians pigs, apes, and dogs. There are over a dozen other passages that call for torturing (cutting fingers off) and killing Christians and Jews.

    I have also read an unauthorized but factual English language version of the Sira.

    I have studied several passages from the 24-25 volumes of the Ahadith.

    What more knowledgeable sources do you have for me other than historical truths and facts?

    With the education that I have, I do speak very accurately and truthfully about Islam and civilized people understand and appreciate these messages. Moslems, of course deny and deny and deny what I say because it does not suit the dawa of Mohammedan colonists.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Sorry Jim, but NO Muslim who knows Islamic Fiqh, Arabic, Quran, Hadiths and Quranic Science will buy the false information you have beenexposed to… Why would you go to someone who would be considered an apostate for information about Islam? Strange concept … Well, you are free to believe whatever you like, but it is not true. I have studied Islamic Fiqh, Quranic Sciences, Arabic, and Hadiths … None of what you claim is from any source that Muslims consider part of our belief system…. Stop spreading lies for your own political or personal agenda… It is not helping to provide any sort of solution for our world, humanity in general, or even for yourself…. Peace

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Being indoctrinated all their lives by Muslims and surrounded by Muslims, that proves nothing. For quite some time after the Reformation many Protestants carried with them, and some even up until today retain, some of the false teachings of Catholicism.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Because, when the New Testament Scripture directly refutes the teaching of Muhammad in the Koran, it starkly reveals the lie of Muslims contending that they worship the same God as Christians.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Jesus has never faked me out. Jesus Christ is the end for every thinking man because every thinking man who really thinks and comes to know his own self, knows that without Jesus Christ, he will only think himself silly as you are doing in your merry-go-round replies. Your religion is one of materialism and legalism where one believes only in what one can see and believes in only what is legal. True life consists of living by the substance of things unseen and extralegal.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    You cannot be helping people by having them focus on the errors or supposed conspiracies of “their church” since you have already demonstrated that you don’t know what or who “the truth” is and have nothing better to give them in its place, so that it is really you who is trying to work mind control tricks on the people you are claiming to help. Bringing someone to materialism and legalism is not helping someone!

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    You deceitfully say “It sounds like” a lot in trying to twist or spin what someone has said to make it fit your out-of-touch-with-reality existentialism. When a psychotic person accuses another person of being irrational it is a form of insanity. Psychosis is a severe mental disorder in which the thoughts and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with reality. All unGodly liberals are psychotic in varying degrees of severity because they have no fixed points of moral certainty in their lives and whatever is right in their eyes changes according to the emotions brought about by whatever circumstances in which they find themselves. That’s why truth is always relative to liberals and all lies justifiable in their minds. Spirituality will be nondescript or whatever they want it to be to fit their agenda at any given time. Lacking any foundational truths to guide their lives, the psychotic has not the ability to reason from cause to effect and subsequently never learns from the consequences of his or her poor choices (i.e. getting caught in a lie repeatedly or voting for Obama the second time). The greater the degree of psychosis, the more impossible it is to have a meaningful relationship with a liberal. That’s why liberals are so unhappy people.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    I think you have to approach truth from a more scientific viewpoint. It is very important to eliminate contradictions. If you are willing to accept a contradiction because one way or another you want to believe a certain way, then all is lost. Religions have a double problem here. One, they believe things stated in earlier times when less was understood. And two, they just want to believe no matter what. Basically, that is how I see the situation. You can’t get anywhere if you are just going to believe, no questions asked. One contradiction tends to eventually lead to more, so you are going to end up in one giant mess.

  • emilyk04@gmail.com' Fired, Aren't I says:

    …Christian Arabs predate Islam. So they’ve been calling god “Allah” since before they were “surrounded by Muslims.”

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    It is true I voted for Obama twice, but my primary objective is to vote against every Republican every chance I get for the rest of my life. I decided to do that back in the Gingrich years, and all the years since then have shown it is the right decision.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    You have to be careful because if you want things to believe, the church will give them to you. Once they have you believing in the substance of things unseen, they know they can tell you anything. Eventually it will fall apart and it will be clear to everyone involved what the church has been doing to the believers. It will be a hard fall.

  • bw40ny@gmail.com' Bee Wald says:

    This article accurately portrays the current perspectives on “different” groups of people such as Muslims and LGBTQ people even though they are not different at all as mentioned in the article. Due to the actions of a hundredth of one percent of the group, the entire group is judged and questioned. However, getting to know “different” people and creating a peaceful bond with them can truly help make world peace and reduce unnecessary campaigns.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    I haven’t replied to you because you weren’t posting here. Ergo, I haven’t seen any replies from you. If you were better educated, you’d know how to post them here, not in some cloud.

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    All my replies were directly to you. Don’t make excuses.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    If they were directly to me, something must be misdirecting them, because I haven’t seen them.

    Put your remarks up right here (not someplace else), and I’ll answer them.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    I am disappointed that you refuse to even question some of those teachings……oops, I forgot: If a Moslem dares to question the Koran, the Sira, or ahadith, he or she will automatically got to hell, right?

    I went to an honest man to learn about Islam. You can condemn him all that you want, he was still honest with me.

    I believe, as you say, that you have studied Islam, but you have limited yourself to studying only approved texts, and have not allowed your mind to open up and to learn from other informed sources that might enlighten you. This is a pitiful waste of your apparently great mind.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Enjoy your serendipity. If you have failed to look outside of the constraints that you live under, you will be forever laughing…, like a fool.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Peace to you, Jim… funny how you decided to attack my intelligence, rather than accept the fact that I have gone through a rigorous intellectual learning process to make my statements about Islam. Strange how this is often the attack toward women in your culture…. You should ask yourself why you are unable to accept and respect 1.8 billion people’s view about Islam and , instead, choose to attack our ability to think, dream, love, live, and simply be in this world. Why you continually choose to make Muslims your enemy is the deeper, more meaningful, and more revealing question…. Again- peace to you…

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    I believe I acknowledged and complimented your intelligence, but you deem it to be an attack. Shame on you.

    I hold women in my culture to be very precious and to be respected, not to be something that should be controlled or owned by Moslem men.

    I understand that millions of Moslems feel the way that they do about Islam, and I have absolutely no problem with Moslems seeking a personal relationship with God and his mercy, and who seek salvation. I am just inclined that Moslems should stay in Moslem countries where they can appreciate one-another fully.

    I do not appreciate Moslems coming into my community and telling me that they are superior to me and that I ought to bow down to them and their colonizing my country.

    Read up on Mohammed. He, himself, declared WAR on all of the world that is not Moslem and demanded that his followers work eternally to enslave all non-Moslems, compel us to convert to Islam, or to die.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    You sent something out to me, but it never got to me.

    I really think that you didn’t send anything to me “directly”; that you don’t want to comment here, and that you are more than likely a hollow suit.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    It is ridiculous in the extreme to think that Arab Christians by calling God “Allah” are reconciling the only true God with and recognizing Him as the same Allah as spoken of in the Koran who says to destroy Christians who call Jesus Christ the Son of Allah. If Arab Christians do call God “Allah” they do it out of ignorance of what “Allah” in the Koran declares or they do so as a bridge to and for it not be a stumbling block in their witness to Muslims.

  • muhammad.quraishi@gmail.com' Muhammad Quraishi says:

    My replies to you were public and right here. Stop ignoring them and go reply. Quit stalling and making excuses.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    You’re the giant mess because you don’t believe and you are supposedly trying to help people who do. With you it is one who is blind himself trying to pull others who can see, at least somewhat, into the ditch where he is.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Where you go wrong is that you will only look at belief via the lens of a physical church organization. Christ is the One that all true Christians follow and do the bidding of and true Christians know that the Church, enfeebled and faulty though it may be, is still the apple of God’s eye (a diamond in the rough) and He is still working with it as He is with every willing believer. You are Satan’s accomplice in trying to destroy Faith in Christ by attacking and destroying His Church as our others who even attack the character of God Himself.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Thanks for the admission and the validation! Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step in becoming whole with God’s help.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Your reply is as extreme as the lies you have believed and/or created about Islam, Muslims, and Prophet Muhammed (sAW). I pray you will one day look past your narrow experience and find a way to connect with your fellow human beings, rather than segregating them… the America I know and love outlawed any form of segregation years ago…. Starting with people like Martin Luther King Jr and Rosa Parks…. So, if you feel the way you do, perhaps you should consider whether or not you “fit” into the citizenship and privilege you so easily claim is your “right”, but vehemently deny for others who were either born here or immigrated.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    I see it as the problem of those voting Republican. God might not be involved in the politics, but it is our responsibility.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    I don’t think there is any actual Jesus, and that is why those who believe have to go by what the church tells them. That is all there is for them to look to. Faith is only a tool of the church.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    What do people see? If what they want to see is not there, then they have to believe really strongly that they see it if they want to continue to have faith. They can only believe if they are part of a group where everyone is saying they see, so there is pressure for you to see too. The faith is the belief in what you want to see, and the church is the group that holds the belief together.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    My experiences are international, multicultural, broad based, significant, and some are poignant. Aside from the Umma, I really do connect with my fellow human beings quite well.

    I know that Mohammed said that only Moslems are humans because Christians, Jews and others are apes, pigs and dogs. Homammed however, never balked at raping female Christians, Animists, or Jews, so therefore Mohammed fornicated with pigs, apes, and dogs.

    I easily fit into what are classified as civilized human beings and society. I reject those who want to colonize MY AMERICA, to destroy our Constitution and Bill of Rights to impose Mohammed’s dogma on my people in my counry. You who would like to enslave, kill, or force-convert me under the banner of Islam are, in my country the Kafirs and Infidels.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Oh my… Your replies are simply delusional. Please forgive me, but I will simply say “Peace” to you now and exit the conversation.

  • ajohnson30@neo.rr.com' Leota2 says:

    Who knew Moslem’s supported marriage equality, equal pay for women and abortion rights. President Obama is the worst
    Moslem I’ve ever heard of. And you are delusional.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    I’m a Christian conservative. I support marriage (and divorce) equality, equal pay for women, equal legal and civil rights, and I oppose murdering babies,

    There is no equality in a Moslem marriage where the wife is considered to be property of the husband has a divine right to have other wives, other women, who may engage in sex with anyone he wishes, be the lover a female or a male.

    History will affirm that Obama was the worst president ever.

  • plumstchili@gmail.com' PlumDumpling says:

    He is nuts. Major sign of how nuts he is:

    Blunted affect is a clinical term to define a lack of emotional reactivity (affect display) in an individual. It manifests as a failure to express feelings either verbally or non-verbally, especially when talking about issues that would normally be expected to engage the emotions. Expressive gestures are rare and there is little animation in facial expression or vocal inflection.[1] Blunted affect can be symptomatic of schizophrenia, depression, posttraumatic stress disorder, depersonalization disorder,[2][3][4] or brain damage.[5] It may also be a side effect of certain medications (e.g., antipsychotics).[6] Individuals with blunted or flat affect show different regional brain activity when compared with healthy individuals.

    Blunted affect is a lack of affect more severe than restricted or constricted affect, but less severe than flat or flattened affect. “The difference between flat and blunted affect is in degree. A person with flat affect has no or nearly no emotional expression. He or she may not react at all to circumstances that usually evoke strong emotions in others. A person with blunted affect, on the other hand, has a significantly reduced intensity in emotional expression”.[7]

  • plumstchili@gmail.com' PlumDumpling says:

    I have neighbors who are Muslim. 20% of the Philly population are Muslim, immigrants and native born. They are good neighbors. You need to get out more. You come off crazy.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Your talking yourself silly talking in circles. Yours is a typical psychotic response from someone out of touch with the reality of moral certainties. Without a spiritual and moral compass you are lost in the wilderness of ego.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Get behind me Satan, you savor not the things that be of God, but the things of men.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    Calling me typical doesn’t seem fair. I don’t think you appreciate what I have been saying.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    I know there is no actual Satan. The harder you try to reason yourself out of this, the deeper you dig the hole you have fallen in.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    It doesn’t take reason to know that it is futile to try and reason with someone who has shown his foundational moral tenet to be the survival of the fittest, who will say or do anything to try come out on top. You may not believe in Satan, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist or that you are not an espouser, if that is a word, of his doctrine even if unwittingly.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    I am not arguing for Satan, but you are arguing for the church. That is what this discussion has been about. What happens when someone believes what the church tells them, and they are willing to go out and try to convince other people? You end up with this kind of discussion.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Sorry Jim, but those terms are HIGHLY offensive to Muslims… And very typical of those who are trying to defame Islam…. Your credibility went from zero to significantly “impossible”.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Failed? Wow… 1.8 billion Muslims and you would say he failed? Strange calculation and logic…and again, you are just full of propaganda BS … It is ok, intelligent people know better.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    Those two spellings are legal and are carried equally in the dictionary. If Moslems are sensitive to this, that is their problem, especially when you Moslems are trying to impose such silly. bigoted and biased reasoning on me and others.

    Me defaming Islam? The followers of Mohammed take care of such defamation by their words and actions all of the time. I just act as a servant assisting them in their self-defamation.

    Be reminded that in MY America, I am not a Kafir, nor am I an Infidel or dhimmi. In MY America, I consider sharia compliant Moslems (rapists, thieves, misogynists, pedophiles, murderers, etc.) to be Kufr and Infidels.

    I do pity Moslem women who are unable think for themselves to break away from the yoke of Moslem domination of them.

  • happy4everyday@gmail.com' Sophia Lebanon says:

    Muslims including
    college students are being discriminated against and exploited when attending
    Universities affiliated with Carson’s Church. My question would be, why would
    these universities want to take Muslim Students’ money and not accept and
    nurture them as they do Christian and Jewish students.

    What also disgusts
    me about Ben Carson is his “wishy-washy” demeanor. In his 2011 book he was
    supportive and inclusive of Muslims, not only in the United States, but also
    all over the world. What has changed, I wonder? He is rooked
    like none other. Even if he is a doctor, he is not a decent human
    being. He is an embracement to Americans.

  • happy4everyday@gmail.com' Sophia Lebanon says:

    Mr. Horn, you really should go back to school and learn how to be nice and polite. President Obama is your Commander in Chief. I don’t care if you agree or not…I usually see goodness in most people but in your case I see displaced anger and hatred.

  • happy4everyday@gmail.com' Sophia Lebanon says:

    Mr. Horn you are nothing but a “bully”.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    I wonder if all the Muslim Female Presidents, Prime Ministers, Nobel Prize Recipients, Scientists, Physicians, and Business owners would agree with your crazy claims…. It is always so much easier to reduce an entire diverse 1.8 billion people down to a few choice derogatory words for someone with no real case against them… Sort of like the term “savage” used for my Native American ancestors or the derogatory terms used toward blacks in early and recent history of America… or Irish Catholics and Jews who were ostracized in the same manner….

  • happy4everyday@gmail.com' Sophia Lebanon says:

    Lori Maria, people want to put other groups down so they can feel better about themselves. Of course Muslims are Humans…The majority of Muslims are educated and open minded. They even accept someone like Mr. Horn. I bet most Muslims are willing to forgive his ignorance and lack of empathy.

  • happy4everyday@gmail.com' Sophia Lebanon says:

    Mr. Quarishi, I believe Mr. Horn is ignoring your replies because he is a “follower” and not a leader. It is good of you to even want to start a dialogue with him.

  • happy4everyday@gmail.com' Sophia Lebanon says:

    Muslims including college students are being discriminated against and exploited when attending Universities affiliated with Carson’s Church. My question would be, why would
    these universities want to take Muslim Students’ money and not accept and
    nurture them as they do Christian and Jewish students.

    What also disgusts me about Ben Carson is his “wishy-washy” demeanor. In his 2011 book he was supportive and inclusive of Muslims, not only in the United States, but also all over the world. What has changed, I wonder? He is rooked like none other. Even if he is a doctor, he is not a decent human being. He is an embracement to Americans.

  • happy4everyday@gmail.com' Sophia Lebanon says:

    Also, Ashley, where did you get your information about Prophit Muhammad? I assume you also area a blind follower. I bet you don’t know how to critically analyze and come up with your own conclusions. Sorry, i am usually not that mean but I beginning to not have a lot of tolerance to people who only want to promote hate and ugliness. This world would be beautiful if people can be kind.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Where is the humanity? Why does one religion, race, people feel it necessary to demonize another, reducing humans, brothers, sisters… to branded labels – ones that promote division and violence- barriers to one another…. Why? Was that what Jesus taught? Surely the Jesus I read about was a Palestinian Jew who loved all humanity, despised egotism, broke down racial and religious divides and screamed from a conscience that would not tolerate such hate, bigotry, and violence- especially coming from the heart and mouth. When those on this page who hate Muslims so muc begin to follow Jesus teachings…. Perhaps humanity will have a chance…

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    I’ve been to polite school. I’ve also studied manuals on protocol. As a diplomat, I spent 25-years being polite – even to people I could not otherwise tolerate. Now retired, I do not suffer fools gladly and have no compunction about being as polite and respectful of people as they are of me.

    If people do not command my respect, that’s their problem. Obama fails to command my respect.

    I have the utmost respect for the White House and the Presidency. I say again, Presidency. Obama is a terrible example of a Chief of State.

    I love and cherish and have full respect for my family, the American flag and all Americans who respect our Constitution. I pay homage for the fallen soldiers and others who have given their all for the USA.

    What you claim to see in me as anger isbased on your bigotry. I am an old grizzled veteran who knows well the sound of a passing bullet, have felt the pain of combat wounds, and the agony of losing comrades. I will admit that I lack tolerance for those who fail to meet my standards of goodness, decency, and civility. My standards are not terribly high — and Obama is one who fails to meet them. Another who I know and understand is Mohammed who I have no (zero) respect for.

    Mohammed failed to show respect for others who differed with him, Mohammed failed to show mercy for the weak and the innocent who were not Moslem. Mohammed is therefore a failure as a human being.

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    Yes Sophia- Muslims follow Quran, which teaches that we replace injustices that are done to us with something better- and that God will be merciful to us as we are merciful to each other- and to address the ignorant by saying “peace” and correcting untruths to expose lies.

  • nyandjim@yahoo.com' Jim Horn says:

    I did not and do not belittle Moslem women who have achieved laudable successes that you speak of. I cheer for them and would like to see more of them. They are, however, just a few dozen of the 1.8 billion female Moslems, most of whom were purchased and are under the domination of male family members until they have a husband, or are slaves.

    Please tell me about the hundreds of thousands of Moslem women who have been disfigured because they avoided a Moslem suitor; or have been murdered in ‘honor’ killings? Some of those honor killings are just because they wanted to be free and make their own choices, or just because they may have smiled at a man.

    Please tell me about the millions of six year old Moslem girls being forced into marriages.

    I have seen Moslem women being used as beasts of burden loaded with bundles and being whipped along as they struggled with those burdens. Where is their freedom?

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Not true. I am arguing for the Church only with the knowledge that where two or more are gathered in the name of Christ that’s where and when Jesus Christ is in their midst. In other words, I am arguing for all to uphold and uplift Jesus Christ in their lives and to be faithful to their high calling in Christ Jesus but you, instead of calling them to be faithful to Christ, are pointing at what may be the faulty and fallible leadership of their churches in order to destroy their faith in Christ. Of course you are not overtly arguing for Satan, but you are doing his anti-Christ work just the same.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    That two or more number, you heard in church. They put these ideas in your head, and you believe them. Everything you believe, it all came from your church. I am arguing there is no actual Christ Jesus, and I am saying that because the Bible shows the gospels are fiction in the timing of how it was written. The rest is religion. This is not about destroying their faith in Christ. This is just saying there is no Christ, and Christianity is an illusion.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Muhammad declares in Sura 9.30: “And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of
    Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these
    are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who
    disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

    Please explain how you follow both Muhammad’s teaching above and Jesus’ teaching in John 3:16 and John 14:6 that He, Jesus, is God’s only begotten Son and He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life and no man comes to the Father but by Jesus.

    Let everyone here on this public forum hear you say that Jesus Christ is God’s only begotten Son, and Jesus is the only way to the Father and Jesus is the only way anyone shall not perish and have everlasting life.

    Otherwise, let it be declared for all to hear that Allah is a false god and Muhammad his false prophet and both are diametrically opposed to and irreconcilable with the only begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ.

    Christians do not hate Muslims. We love the truth at it is in Jesus and hate the lies and the deceitfulness that you are promoting in the name of Jesus.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Muhammad declares in Sura 9.30: “And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of
    Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these
    are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who
    disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

    Please tell me why anyone would or should accept and nurture a people whose god and prophet teaches them to destroy Christians for saying that Jesus, the Messiah, is the Son of God?

  • zahramaria7@gmail.com' Lori Maria says:

    I think it is time for your medication…. What kind of crazy are you? Seriously… Your comments are absurd.

  • happy4everyday@gmail.com' Sophia Lebanon says:

    I just have to address the comment on “”the hundreds of thousands of Muslim women who have been disfigured because they avoided a Muslim Suitor” Are you serious? Where did you get your statistics from. Were you forced to memorize these statements by someone? I wish if you would consider searching for the truth on your own. I bet you will find that most Muslim women are adored and treated with love and respect. I don’t blame you, I think you are not allowed to read certain books and to ask questions.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    Jesus is the one at question here. Using the Bible as your reason is reasoning in a circle about what Jesus is, and ignores the evidence that the Jesus story is fiction. If you want to follow the circular reasoning, it is unreasonable for you to ask others to follow that line of reasoning.

  • water-ratt@comcast.net' water-ratt says:

    drinks beer, eats during Ramadan, believes in gay marriage, what a terrible Moslum!

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    I’m not on any medication, nor do I need any, thank God, because I know Jesus Christ and he lives in my heart and life, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if, knowing what you profess to believe in deceiving yourself and in trying to convince others that Jesus and Muhammad are not diametrically opposed to and irreconcilable with each other, you were on anti-psychotic or anti-depressant medication.

    Please notice everyone that Lori Maria, who says she follows both Jesus and Muhammad, will not say here on this public forum that Jesus Christ is God’s only begotten Son and Jesus is the only way to the Father and it is only through Jesus that anyone shall not perish and have everlasting life.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    It is only circular reasoning to carnal minds who have to think themselves silly trying to refute spiritual and moral things using the substance of things seen with materialistic, superficial arguments. It is not only unreasonable, but impossible, to discern spiritual things by any other means other than through spiritual discernment, but you continue thinking yourself silly attempting that impossibility.

  • Heartcom@smithville.net' Heartcom says:

    Sorry, but you’re wrong again. I didn’t hear the “two or more number” from church, I heard that direct from Jesus who says, “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I AM in the midst of them.” Matthew 18:20. You only continue to show your ignorance and continue to demonstrate your inability, indeed, the impossibility, of grasping spiritual things through materialistic means. The contradictions you speak of are all based upon superficial and out of context readings of Scripture made by carnal men. The only authority you can cite to back up your arguments is “I think” or those of other erring, fallible men. Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his arm, whose heart turns away from the Lord.” Jeremiah 17:5

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    The contradictions come from from seeing the Bible for what it is. Religions tend to assume it is the word of God and perfect, and they overlook the contradictions. The contradictions are still there, and they can’t be resolved by quoting Bible verses.

  • reedjim51@gmail.com' Jim Reed says:

    The way to show it is circular is with the evidence, but through faith you discount the evidence. We are finally in agreement.

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