The Irony in the “Religious Liberty” Argument

 

The nine most terrifying words in the English language, are ‘I’m from the government, and I’m here to help. – Ronald Reagan

There’s an irony embedded in the outraged responses of the “religious liberty” crowd to the executive order signed by President Obama on Monday: if religious organizations want to discriminate against LGBT citizens in their hiring and staffing decisions, they remain perfectly free to do so. All they have to do is turn down federal money.

There is some precedent for this. Back in 1984, around the time that Reagan was maligning government help, two Christian colleges were fighting the federal government over Title IX regulations and reporting. When the Supreme Court sided with the government in Grove City College v. Bell, Michigan’s Hillsdale College immediately began declining all forms of federal aid. Grove City College, in western Pennsylvania, soon followed suit, and both schools continue to reject federal money to this day.

Free to run their organizations as they see fit, they are also free from government dependence. Even if you disagree on the particulars, you have to respect the consistency.

These days, there is reason for skepticism whenever “religious liberty” clamors to the fore. Researchers have found, unsurprisingly, that frames touting liberties and rights serve as rhetorical veils, allowing “ideologically extreme candidates to hide in public sight, appearing to be something different than they are and much more acceptable than they otherwise would be.”

Though the makers of these arguments persistently bill themselves as freedom fighters holding the line against the forces of tyranny, the truth of the matter is generally simpler and less exciting: they mostly just want continued access to taxpayers’ money. If it’s true that government help is terrifying, there are other models to follow.

Eric C. Miller is Assistant Professor in the Department of Communication Studies at Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania. He has a BA in English from the University of Pittsburgh, an MA in English from the University of Maine, and a PhD in Rhetorical Studies from Penn State University. A regular contributor at Religion Dispatches, his research area sits amid religious rhetoric and public advocacy.

  • Christopher

    Amazing. Someone that gets it. GREAT JOB Mr. Miller. You nailed the problem EXACTLY: “[T]he truth of the matter is generally simpler and less exciting: they mostly just want continued access to taxpayers’ money.”

    It is that simple. If you want federal money then you have to pay the price. The RFRA could not be applied to the States, even though Congress nearly unanimously voted to force it on the States. The Supreme Court ruled Congress had no such authority but also that Congress did have the authority to make the RFRA applicable to the Federal Government and it is. (See Hobby Lobby)

    So Congress went back to work and came up with Religious Land Use and Institutionalize Persons Act and the Court ruled that it WAS applicable to the States. Why? Because the states could, as Justice Thomas noted, escape the restrictions of RLUIPA simply by refusing federal funds.

    You see Federal Money ALWAYS comes with strings attached. They buy your slavery and you sell it to them. It is called “voluntary compliance.”

    I am religiously required to eschew Socialism. This means I cannot have or use a Social Security Number or file a Federal Tax Return or pay Income taxes. But it also means that I must refuse individualized federal benefits/funds. I cannot take Unemployments benefits or food stamps or medicare or medicaid or Social Security benefits or ObamaCare subsidies or ObamaCare in any way. I cannot even send my children to federal funded government schools. Not even primary schools. I cannot be a part of any of the Socialism that has become the established religion of the United States.

    I can drive on federally funded roads because I pay federal gas taxes indirectly and I need not “APPLY” for a benefit. I can be protected by the Navy because it is a General Welfare benefit that does not require that I apply for the Federal benefit. And the police and firefighters are under the State as are MOST government actions.

    The United States Supreme Court in Northern Pipeline Const. Co. v. Marathon Pipe Line Co. addressed the issue about what happened when you accept a Congressionally created statutory right:

    “[W]hen Congress creates a statutory right, it clearly has the discretion, in defining that right, to create presumptions, or assign burdens of proof, or prescribe remedies; it may also provide that persons seeking to vindicate that right must do so before particularized tribunals created to perform the specialized adjudicative tasks related to that right. … No comparable justification exists, however, when the right being adjudicated is not of congressional creation. In such a situation, substantial inroads into functions that have traditionally been performed by the Judiciary cannot be characterized merely as incidental extensions of Congress’ power to define rights that it has created. Rather, such inroads suggest unwarranted encroachments upon the judicial power of the United States, which our Constitution reserves for Art. III courts.”

    You see how scary that is. You don’t get Article III rules when you take a Congressionally created statutory right useless the statutory says so. Interestingly enough that is EXACTLY what the RFRA grants. Article III adjudication.

    ObamaCare, Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, Federal Housing, etc. are all “congressional creation[s]” and can be rejected by not accepting them. By not accepting them you do not lose your natural rights or so-called “negative rights.”

    Many people have asked me how they can also avoid Income Taxes like I do and then they ask: “But how can I collect Social Security?” or How can I get a federal student loan?” or “How can I get a Fannie Mae house loan?”

    You can’t. You can live free or you can be a voluntary slave. Almost no one want to be free. They want to be well taken care of serfs.

    Have you ever wondered why they say the Income Tax is voluntary?–

    Our system of taxation is based on voluntary assessment and payment, not upon distraint. –United States v. Flora, 362 US 145 (1958)

    You are among the millions of Americans who comply with the tax law voluntarily. –1992 Form1040 Tax Instruction Booklet

    Our tax system is based on individual self-assessment and voluntary compliance. –Mortimer Caplin, IRS Commissioner, 1975 IRS IR Audit Manual

    Because it is! Just refuse all federal funds and individual benefits like Hillsdale College did and a do a few things to ensure you are not a U.S. citizen but instead an American and presto. You too can be free from federal tyranny.

  • Kelly

    I’ve learned something today: Essentially, “if it’s something I disagree with, it’s socialism, but if I need it, it’s just a regular government function”.

  • Dennis Kelley

    do you eat food? drink water? federal programs to ensure that these are in compliance with safety standards keep you from getting salmonella every 10 minutes. do you have a bank account protected by the FDIC? work at a place that is held to OSHA standards? what you call socialism is what most people simply call “society.” unfortunately, we can’t rely on corporate structures to have anything other than the profit motive governing behavior, so i, for one, am happy that my taxes go toward these agencies.

  • Christopher

    Oh no. If you disagree with something that interferes with your “positive rights” to have others pay for your religion then it is being imposed on you by people nut job religious wackos that claim “negative rights” so they don’t have to pay for you. And that’s just wrong. Right?

  • Christopher

    I eat food that I pay for. I pay federal taxes that don’t force me to sign documents under penalties of perjury or that require me to APPLY for a benefit.

    I have fought Federal OSHA repeatedly.

    I don’t rely on corporations. I put my faith in God not “persons”.The Federal Government is a corporation by the way.

    If Jack-in-the-Box sold infected meat that made people sick would you think that was good for their profit margin? So even without the FDA would they insure that they had food that didn’t make people sick and then sue them? How about Safeway or Smiths or Wiggly Piggly? Would it help their bottom line to sell food that made people sick?

    Yes. Most voluntary slaves call it just “society.” Most people have never read the Declaration of Independence or the Declaration of Taking up Arms or the Federalist Papers or even the Constitution of the U.S. or their own State constitution. Have you? Almost none of them have read the Communist Manifesto or studies the differences between the French and American Revolutions. In other words most people are too ignorant to know anything about what socialism even is or what it does to them and their children.
    http://www.thestreet.com/story/12783796/1/the-10-most-socialist-states-in-america.html?utm_source=inlinespeeddesk&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=inlinespeeddesk

    And most people sell their birthright for a mess of Federal Benefits just like most universities. They WANT the benefits so they pay the tax just like most universities that comply with Title IX. I don’t want those benefits so like Hillsdale College and Grove City College, and Brigham Young University I don’t take the Federal benefits.

    If you want to pay those taxes/tithing and support the religion of Socialism by all means do so. I am not trying to force you to stop. Just don’t try to force me to comply with statutes like Title IX when I can avoid them by not applying for and accepting such Federal Funds/benefits. Therefore I am “Free to run [my] organizations as [I] see fit,… free from government dependence. Even if you disagree on the particulars, you have to respect the consistency.” ?

    But you don’t respect it…Do you?

    You want me to “pay my fair share” even though I won’t ever take my fair share. Is that fair? But then socialists never care about fair. They care about ensuring that everyone is a good little socialist and if they are not then they need to undergo the Spanish Inquisition known as the IRS.

    Take a look at Hobby Lobby and prepare for those of us that just want be “Free to run their organizations as they see fit, they are also free from government dependence.” We are legion and we don’t want to practice the religion of Socialism.

  • Andre M

    Oh do shut up.

  • Craptacular

    You live in a lonely, scary world, my friend. My heart goes out to you.

  • Andre M

    “We are legion and we don’t want to practice the religion of Socialism.”

    You said a mouthful there, Christopher.

    Mark 5:8-9
    For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you impure spirit!”
    Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
    “My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.”

  • Lamont Cranston

    It’s good to know that you’re going to die needlessly.

  • Christopher

    I haven’t said a word.

  • Christopher

    And what will cause that?

    I have had a good life already anyway, Sorry I can’t write more but I gotta go play with my grandchildren.

  • Christopher

    Lonely? With my loving Heavenly Parents above me, my beautiful wife and great children at my side, my grandchildren at my feet and many friends all around plus my artwork used to meet new fine folk, I am never lonely. http://streetsoflv.com/?p=387

    Why would you think I was lonely? We are legion.

  • Christopher

    Don’t you know the difference between a noun and a proper noun? Many Socialists struggle with the meaning of words. It is why they sold their liberty for dross. Looks like it happened again.

    How cliché.

    This may help: Definition of LEGION

    3: a very large number : multitude

    “When words lose their meaning, people will lose their liberty.” Confucius circa 500 B. C

  • Christopher

    Don’t you know the difference between a noun and a proper noun? Many Socialists struggle with the meaning of words. It is why they sold their liberty for dross. Looks like it happened again.

    How cliché.

    This may help: Definition of LEGION

    3: a very large number : multitude

    “When words lose their meaning, people will lose their liberty.” Confucius circa 500 B. C

  • Andre M

    Nice try, demon! I see right through you!

  • Andre M

    You’re a clever demon, aren’t you?

  • Andre M

    In case this wasn’t already apparent, Christopher is here revealing that he is a demon by referencing Mark 5:9.

  • Christopher

    Nope. It means many. Sorry you do not realize I did not use a capital letter to make it a proper noun. If I had written ‘Mark’ I would be referring to a name. If I wrote ‘mark’ it would be a signature using an X or a smudge. “My friend Mark left his mark on the trail.”

    You, Andre M, are marked by the Beast.

    Can you see the difference now or are you too blinded by the Beast in your heart?

  • Christopher

    Socialists hate the light. I am in the Light of Christ. You support the religion of the dark one, Socialism. You carry His mark. It looks something like this: 666-18-2014.

    You use it for your Socialist religion to buy or sell and to pay the Beast tithing with a 1040 return.

  • Christopher

    Wise not clever. Christ told us to be wise.

    Matthew 10:16 ¶Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

  • Andre M

    Do not listen to these lies! Christopher is a servant of the Great Deceiver!

  • Andre M

    Yes, even demons know Christ’s words! Be careful of this one, friends! A true snake in the grass!

  • Andre M

    Listen to the prevarications spewed forth by this Devil Christopher! He lies through his teeth! He’s fooling no one though!

  • Christopher

    Nice claim with no proof. That is how Satan attacks his enemies. “By their fruits shall ye know them” so you are exposing who you worship and it isn’t Christ.

  • Christopher

    And so you misquote the Bible to prove I am your god’s disciple. That is funny.

    You carry the mark of the beast and claim I am Satan’s follower when I do not carry the mark. That is sad.

  • Andre M

    I see the mark upon your forehead & hand! Twist the Lord’s words all you like, but your hate & lies are sealing your fate!

  • Andre M

    Yes, by their fruits! We see your hatred & lies! The fruits of a rotten tree! A man named Christopher who has a demon living within him!

  • Christopher

    There is an old story about how in the colonies there is this lawyerly saying “If you have the law, hammer the law. If you have the facts, hammer the facts. If you have neither the law nor the facts, hammer the table”.

    You are pounding the table, Andre M.

    If you wish to discredit me attack what I claim about the Religion of Socialism. Or you can continue to hammer the table. I have been in the legal field a long time and in politics for over 45 years. Your attempts at insults are amateurish. But hammer away at the table or debate what I claim above about the Religion of Socialism.

    But you fear to attack what I claim because it will expose your own Socialist religion so you attack a single word that you misspell to help your lie.

  • Christopher

    You can see my forehead over the www? Impressive.

    You just lied…again. You can see nothing on my forehead or my hand. If you can tell me which finger is deformed.

    I don’t need to twist the Lord’s words. But keep hammering the table or take the risk and debate the claims i made above.

  • Andre M

    As if anyone is going to believe the lies coming from you! Ha! The evil in your words is crystal clear! You delight in the works of Satan!

  • Andre M

    You are a liar and the Truth is not in you! Repent of your wickedness Christopher! Your pride & hate & lies! The LORD will have nothing to do with them!

  • Christopher

    Hatred of slavery?
    Hatred of voluntary slavery?
    Hatred of the Federal Government that steals from children and enslaves them in hereditary bondage?

    Guilty!

    Lies. I wait for the proof but you can supply none or fear to debate. You just keep hammering the table because you have no facts or law but only an emotional devotion to the religion of Socialism. If you have the light of the Lord, and I have a demon, then confound me.

  • Christopher

    Hammering the table again, I see.Still no facts. Still no law. How easily you prove your devotion to the Religion of Socialism. You have great faith in Satan’s gospel of Socialism.

  • Andre M

    By all means: continue with your lies, Christopher! God will not stand it! You will see!

  • Andre M

    And your pride & lies, Christopher? You have said it yourself: you are LEGION!

  • Christopher

    I do not fear your god. I have been fighting your Lord of the Dark for over 45 years.

    So keep hammering the table Andre M. You still cannot dispute what I wrote but just continue the personal attacks because you have no firm foundation. You have only faith in your Socialist Religion. I do and it is in Christ and truth.

    You sound very much like an abused woman that just wants to strike out at anything because she lives in fear. I am sorry if that happened to you. As a child my wife was abused and I adopted an abused little girl to get her away from that awful abuse.Your pain must be great. I am truly sorry if that happened.

  • Andre M

    The pain you must feel from the demons writhing within you must be horrible! You follow a false Christ! Repent!

  • Christopher

    There you go mis-quoting and misspelling all in one false accusation.

    I wrote: “We are legion.” I never claimed I was LEGION.

    I claimed I was one of many anti-Socialists. I never claimed I was ‘legion’ as one cannot be many and I never claimed I was ‘Legion’ as that is a name just as you quoted, from the Bible.

    You have the mark of the beast but you are not a Mark with a beast.

    Proper language skills are always important. I have watched lawyers try to manipulate the truth with just slight manipulations like you just tried.

    “You” instead of “We”. “Mark” instead of “mark.” “Law” instead of “statute.” “Secular” instead of “sacred.” “Welfare” instead of “poor relief.” It is a common tactic among Socialists that are trying to trick people into the religion of Satan. Verbicide is a common tactic indeed.

    Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr. understood the dangers of verbicide. He said: “Life and language are alike sacred. Homicide and verbicide—that is, violent treatment of a word with fatal results to its legitimate meaning, which is its life—are alike forbidden.”

    You are not very good at verbicide however. I think you should keep to hammering the table. It may offer you more relief for you inner self-hatred. Abuse does that to a person. I am sorry it happened to you. I hope you can get some help.

  • Andre M

    I suppose you think the book of Mark was originally written in English too, you Devil! You’re full of lies!

  • Christopher

    No pian at all since I have the light of Christ within me. I need not repent for anything I have written here as I have only written the truth. But you really need to get some help for all the abuse you must have suffered through. I have seen this type of inner pain manifested this way with my adopted daughter at her doctor’s office. She needed help to recover and it seems like you do too. I could be wrong of course but your writing style and obvious claims using misspellings and ms-quoting me are very telltale signs of such abuse. Get some help or go ahead and continue to pound the table if that helps.

  • Christopher

    I don’t believe that Mark was written in English. The English language was not around in circa 80 A.D. Of course we don’t have an original copy so we don’t actually know what language it was written in or if it was actually written by Mark.

    Didn’t you know that? Please get some help for the abuse you must have suffered.

  • Andre M

    Ah, the demon is an armchair psychologist too! But a liar all the same!

  • Andre M

    I’m sorry, demon, but you are making appeals to particulars of the language of the Bible in English! What truth-twisting! Repent of your evil!

  • Christopher

    I see you will need me to grant you the last word. Most abused women need that. So go ahead and please keep it to one sentence. You have my permission to have the last word. Hammer the table dear lady.

  • Andre M

    What pride! Repent of your pride, Christopher! The LORD will have no part of it! Repent of your hate! Repent of your lies! Demons writhe within you! You seek to lead the innocent astray!

  • Aaron

    HO-LY SHIT! That’s was entertaining! Thanks Christopher and Andre. That was bat-shit crazy amazing! Both of you guys are something else…

    Btw..can we can longer articles on here? Maybe a little more in-depth?

    Kinda sucks that a loons comment is longer than the actual article.

  • Andre M

    It was my pleasure! :)

  • Christopher

    Go ahed and have the last word, but one sentence is all I will allow.

  • Tlynn

    I read these comments half way through and had to stop. Truly bat sh** material.

  • Andre M

    All you will allow? What pride! You truly are a liar & deceiver! Repent of your wickedness!

  • Christopher

    Yes. I will allow you to have the last word if you limit it to one sentence.

  • Andre M

    You sad, egotistical, sexist, power-hungry old fool. Thank god you are a dying breed in America.

  • Christopher

    I am sorry darling but I cannot allow that as the last word. I told you that you need to make it just one sentence. If you want the last word you need to do what you’re told to do. And while you’re at it…make me a sandwich. Would ya?

    You feminists need a firm hand. Now do what you’re told and it will make you feel good about yourself. Just one sentence is all it takes for me to shut up. Or do you want a real man to continue to tell you what to do because it finally makes you feel like a real woman for the first time in your life?

  • Christopher

    You are welcome.

    I am sorry I TAXED your intellect. I was hoping for higher level on RD. Oh well.

  • Andre M

    Is your last statement here an example of that higher level?

    http://i.imgur.com/8pjHMAh.png

  • Andre M

    Your poor wife and daughter. Out of the frying pan & into the fire.

  • Christopher

    Two sentences. So close darling.

    It’s my wife and TWO daughters. My wife and I have been and are madly in love since the moment I met her. We’ve been married happily for over 35 years and I worship the ground she walks on. She is a better woman than I am a man. An angel sent from heaven. I would never treat a REAL woman the way I treat a feminist like you. She is a princess spreading her joy and sweetness and love of liberty to the world. She is the one that got me into liberty by telling me she would divorce me if I ever filed another tax return, when she was just 18. Amazing woman.

    Feminism is a Satanic religion. The evil fruits become obvious…like you. You feminists are like a cockroaches. Filthy things that crawl out from under slimy trash heaps to spread disease and hatred. Like a miasma of evil, feminists spread nothing but selfishness and self-loathing.

    All the women in my life, including my wonderful daughters-in-law adore me. You see I practice what I preach about liberty and they made and make there own choices. My youngest daughter’s (the gay one) friends tell her often how they wish I would have been their father. Her girlfriend moved in with us to escape her father and tyrannical mother. One daughter was adopted. She was special needs. We took her in to get her away from abuse by Cops and foster parents. We adopted her instead of being foster parents so the government didn’t have to spend the millions on her medical. We practice what we preach. Socialism is evil.

    I have children. Did you abort all of yours in the blood sacrifice ritual of their own children feminist do so often? Hopefully for them you did. It helps stop the vicious cycle of abuse for those not strong to break the cycle. It is so difficult to recover from the abuse you must have endured. No wonder you hate men. I would too. Sounds more and more like it was your father with you mothers approval. Or did she just turn a blind eye like so many do? That happens to so many feminists as children. My wife would have killed him. I am truly sorry for you your mother was not strong like my wife.

    One sentence is all it takes to get me to stop responding. But obviously you want me to continue. It must be the loneliness. Any communication with a man is better than none for most of you. Right? You just need a good strong man to tell you what to do for a while so you can get over the abuse and walk upright again like a real woman. I’ll do what I can.

    But you’ll come back for more. You need it now. You know you do. It’s obvious. Hear from you again soon Luv.

    How about a bedtime story for the next one? I’ll write one down for you like I tell my wonderful granddaughters I adore and worship. Women should be worshiped by men. Don’t you think? I do. Princesses everyone!

  • Andre M

    Alright, I can hold it back no longer. I am a MAN, you imbecile. My name is not Andrea. It is Andre. That is a male name. You are a joke. How could anyone bear to sit through your masturbatory rants?

  • Christopher

    Oh what fun it was to finally draw you out. That was a kick. I wondered how long you would wait. Thanks. I haven’t laughed so hard since I watched Monty Python and the Holly Grail. “Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of Elderberries.”

    Now go away you Silly English kaaanigites or I shall taunt you a second time.

    Really. Thanks! That was fun!

  • Andre M

    You’re a joke. You should be ashamed of yourself.

  • Christopher

    Why should I be ashamed of myself? Because I used you as a tool so I could have a good laugh? You could have quit anytime but you CHOSE to continue. I didn’t force you. I mean you are still making sure you don’t just end this with a single sentence. I mean that is Fu@king funny! You can’t pay for this kind of fun.

    Shall we continue? I love to laugh. Would you like me to bait another hook?

    “Always look on the bright side of life” Come on, sing it with me. “Always look on the bright side of life!”

    NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition! RONFLMAO

    And now for something completely different!

  • Andre M

    You’re a coward & a liar & a hatemonger.

    “If you’ve been redeemed, I wouldn’t want to be.”

  • Christopher

    Higher level of laughter! Of course!

    I’d hope you would get that without me needed to explain it to you.

    Thanks again. Total fun. Still laughing

  • Andre M

    Yes, your lies have amused us all. What a joke when you were pretending to be a sexist pig, having fun speaking degradingly to a woman. What a joker you are.

  • Christopher

    Coward? What am I afraid of? Certainly not you. Not the government. Who then?

    Hatemonger? (sp?) Who do I hate? Not you. You where a joy to banter with.

    Lair? Aren’t we all? Heck you pretended to be a woman for days because you thought I believed you were one and I went along with it knowing full well that no woman would have put up with my crap. Dang that was funny.

    Gay men are often very effeminate. We had a friend up in Reno who was the most flamboyant Gay cross-dresser I ever met. And when he got decked out in his stage apparel and make-up he was gorgeous. He looked better than any feminists I’ve ever seen (except for maybe Jane Fonda) and better than most cheerleaders. His boyfriend, Courtney, was a nerd, about ten years older than Tony. They loved to take my wife out dancing. Nice guys.

    The Spider turned him round about, and went into his den, For well he knew the silly Fly would soon come back again: So he wove a subtle web, in a little corner sly, And set his table ready, to dine upon the Fly.

    On the redemption part WE AGREE. I have often told my Catholic and Evangelical friends that if their heaven is heaven then I would rather go to Hell and turn the Devil out and make my own heaven.

    I would never want to force anyone to go anywhere they didn’t want to or worship any god they did not agree with and worship freely. Liberty is at the very heart of my religion. Obviously not so much with yours.

    2 Nephi 2:27 Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.

    2 Nephi 1:7 Wherefore, this land is consecrated unto him whom he shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them; wherefore, they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so, it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes, but unto the righteous it shall be blessed forever.

  • Christopher

    But I was writing to a man pretending to be a woman. No mater how I degraded HIM I couldn’t be a sexist pig. A joker, Yes! Sexist no. Spider? Yes. I do enjoy feasting on the laughter socialist flies create for my pleasure. Are you ready to feed me again?

    The Spider turned him round about, and went into his den, For well he knew the silly Fly would soon come back again: So he wove a subtle web, in a little corner sly,
    And set his table ready, to dine upon the Fly.

    Hope to see you soon, Silly Fly. My humorous side is voracious. “Feed me, Seymour / Feed me all night long – That’s right, boy! – You can do it! Feed me, Seymour!”

  • Andre M

    I never claimed to be a woman. You assumed I was. I didn’t pretend, I simply didn’t deny it.

    Sad to say, it is no surprise you’re a Mormon extremist.

  • Christopher

    I see you returned little fly. ANd the laugh fest continues!

    I didn’t assume it. I said you “sounded” like a woman. And you still do. Do you know Tony in Reno?

    I am not a Mormon any more than a Wodinist is a Catholic. Hail Thor! Hail Freyja!

    Lo There do I see my father
    Lo, There do I see my father,
    Lo, There do I see my mother, and my sisters, and my brothers,
    Lo, There do I see the line of my people back to the beginning,
    Lo, They do call me, They do bid me take my place among them In the Halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever !!

  • Andre M

    I don’t know. It was fun antagonizing you when I thought you were just another mainline Christian fundie nut job. But, knowing you’re a Mormon takes the fun out of it, makes it more sad than anything else.

  • Christopher

    I see you returned little fly. And the laugh fest continues!

    Socialists calling me sad is like a Dung Beetle telling me I have a stinking job.

    Knowing I am a Mormon is like knowing I am insulted by you. As a hint, the laughter you hear (I figured since you claimed could see my hands must mean you could hear me laugh too) is not sorrow or pain. It is because you are hilarious. And you keep coming back. What a treat. I haven’t had to switch on Lewis Black for a week.

    We started our own Fellowship since modern Mormons like Harry Reid and Mitt Romney and Orrin Hatch are too Socialist for us. I mean…come on…Harry makes Lenin look like a Republican from Alabama.

    But keep it coming if you need to Little Fly. I live but to serve. FEED ME, SEYMOUR!

    You didn’t tell me if you knew Tony or not.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Thank you.